Exit Realty Modified Touring Series Signs Deal For 2018 With Hoosier Tire

(Press Release from Modified Touring Series)

The Exit Realty Modified Touring Series is proud to announce that we have signed with Hoosier Tire.

We are very excited to work with Hoosier as they have been the tire of champions in modified racing for decades.

Rob Summers at Hoosier Tire east and the staff at Hoosier Corp have made us at MTS feel like we are part of a big family.

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  1. Really wish this series and maybe one more would go away or possibly join forces with the MRS. Way too many touring series for the modifieds in New England. Nothing against Hoosier as they are truly a class act.
    Just tired of having to pay extra money to see my local favorites race when the touring series are in town especially when they have less than 20 or so cars. TTOMS had a great show until the expansion of the MTS and TTOMS deciding they did not want to race at the NLWS. Hopefully we will se some big changes for 2018 as business as usual really sucks for us fans.

  2. Open wheel fan says:

    Larry you could not have said it any better. We stopped traveling to the 2 different modified series races. We go to open wheel Wednesday and the Thompson modified tour shows and the Sizzler and Fall final at Stafford.

  3. Agree with every word Larry. But you might want to cover the family jewels when Stafford releases it’s 2018 schedule cause my gut feeling is we’re going to get kicked in the marbles with more of the same.

  4. Crazy in NY says:

    So that’s the magic bullet eh? Change from AR to Hoosier and suddenly, magically car counts return
    to “normal’? Now some of you want a series to go away. OK how shall we do that? Take a poll here
    on RaceDay and the losing series MUST go away so you can all feel better plunking down 20 bucks
    for 18 Mods. NEWS FLASH. We in NY have a single series and ONE open Mod show in 17 (on AR’s btw) and the counts are down here as well. As they are at the weekly tracks on Long Island, MVS and Wall. Your collective eye sight only works in your part of the world it seems. You wanna talk about down south? So Larry, Doug , Open Wheel which one of you is tasked with telling Jack or Gary he has to go away? The CT racing circus continues.

  5. Fans have every right to stay away if they think these series hurt their weekly racing shows and pricing.Track Owners will get the message.As far as Hoosier helping bring other teams to crossover from different series it seems to me you have to buy tires in the paddock, you don’t bring them with you so who cares what brand tire you have to purchase to participate.Maybe there are to many tours going on not only for racers but fans alike.As a fan attending races from icebreaker to turkey derby it is a grind to make NWMT events and the occasional other races at my home track.People have other things going on in their lives, it’s not all racing.

  6. Fast Eddie says:

    Art, although you buy tires at the track, I think the setup is different between the tires. I’m guessing here, but it seemed weird at the first MTS races I went to that some of the teams I expected to be fast weren’t; almost like it took them a few races to figure out the setup with the American Racer tires. Just about all the teams around here know how to set their cars up at a given track with Hoosiers. Another observation on this was that the WMT cars were quick right away. I’m guessing they would also have more spring & shock options as they go to more tracks. It would be interesting to know from any race teams if there is a difference between the two tire brands , and if it’s just making adjustments or maybe different shocks and/or springs.

  7. Crazy in NY says:

    “Fans have every right to stay away if they think these series hurt their weekly racing shows and pricing.”

    Huh??? Hurting your weekly show somehow? If you got to see Teddy, Rowan, Ryan , Keith and others in two features in one night that was a bad thing? Oh I forgot….not unless it’s the Tour.
    Sorry.

  8. Hey Crazy in NY, don’t include me in these guys too many tours talk. There is, every body knows it but that’s wasn’t my point. I’m simply saying it seems to work well for my favorite track Stafford so I would think it would continue if the tours can muster enough cars.
    As to Jack or Gary going away that’s an interesting viewpoint. Seems like the more important concern is what do the teams under these two guys think. Who do they support and what is in their teams best interest.
    Otherwise great comment. Please give us more of the NY perspective.

  9. Fast Eddie,There definitely is a setup difference in the two tires.I think it is a harder compound.Matt Hirschman did very well on them a couple of years ago on the ROC tour.He actually finished a couple of races without changing tires at all.WMT teams in my opinion are the best at setups so it doesn’t surprise me they are strong where ever they go.Some fans here complain about pricing.I do not.I think short track local racing is the best bang for the buck in family entertainment from miniature golf to amusement parks, movies,and just about anything I can think of.There still isn’t enough time to go to all the supposed big shows scheduled.

  10. The only difference between the tours and the Hoosier tires each run is the compounds from left to right. I am happy to see Gary go to the Hoosiers because this may give all tour competitors the opportunity to move around without having to spend money to run dissimilar tire brands. Could potentially result in increased car counts as well. As you can see I am not one of the too many tour guys either.

  11. Having some meat on the bone of a Hoosier in one tour race then going to another tour using the same tire and not having to worry about changing tire brands has to be a good thing. Whether it facilitates higher crossover and high car counts, marginal at best in my view.
    Another great post from Art. I always perk up when I see that name. And totally agree that for you that racing is the best bang for the buck around. As for me no, I pick my spots and money outlay vs who’s on the dance card is a factor. But if you are talking about what is absolutely the best bang for the buck this devoted race fan says Now England country fair. And especially one like the Hebron Fair that has various forms of cars racing on tap.

  12. darealgoodfella says:

    art, back when the Tour had the option of Good Year or Hoosier, they had to set the car up differently for each tire brand.

  13. Crazy in NY says:

    ” I am happy to see Gary go to the Hoosiers because this may give all tour competitors the opportunity to move around without having to spend money to run dissimilar tire brands.”

    I don’t think so humpy. They (Tour owners) have the opportunity to run on Hoosiers with the TTOM and most don’t. That series pays better than MTS as well. It’s not the tires it’s the mentality that many of you here convey. If it isn’t NASCAR it isn’t sh…. That’s a shame because even with a “short” field the racing can be and often is better than your favorite brand. Snobbery and ego are hard to overcome it seems.

  14. Fast Eddie says:

    Crazy, the TTOMS rules require Hoosiers and specify the compound -“Tire Type – Hoosier 1320 Left, Hoosier 1330 right”.

  15. Doug,I don’t think you can bring your own tires, no matter the brand or compound.I suppose it cuts down on any shenanigans going on with chemically treating them or any other things that might go on.I wish a driver or someone in the know would weigh in on this.Also I don’t think you have to be crazy in n.y or anywhere else to easily see the best teams in modified racing do so on the NWMT.Its not ego or snobbery.Its the inescapable fact.Not to say everyone else stinks, not to say nascar can’t be totally out to lunch sometimes, but at the end of the day the best teams run the tour

  16. Crazy I see why you have that alias. Read my post again because I really don’t believe you have the ability to process information the way other normal beings do. The WMT and MRS both run Hoosiers. The TTOM will be on them next year. Heck the SK mods are on Hoosiers at all 3 CT tracks so with the 4 barrel and weight break they can also run the TTOM. Now it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that all the series on the same brand of tire will benefit everyone. Your mentality seems to be in question here not everyone else’s.

  17. Fast Eddie says:

    Crazy, they have to run the WMT, TTOMS, and VMRS on Hoosiers per each series’ rule books.

  18. Good point Crazy, some of us get really worked up about any competition to the WMT. I’m not a big follower myself favoring the weekly SK’s but don’t see the problem. At least at Stafford. I see Stafford with a great crowd and excitement for the Fall Final. A full starting field of 27 cars. What more could you want? 10 more cars that don’t make the feature? But then again I don’t know anything about the politics of Nascar vs the wildcat tour shows.

  19. darealgoodfella says:

    Remember when we used to say we need a tire war?

  20. DAREAL THEY HAD MICHELLEN
    GOODYEAR IS ONLY FOR IROC
    PLEASR DO YOUR HOMEWORK
    AMERICAN RACER IS NU.BER ONE

  21. Crazy in NY says:

    Thank you Fast Eddie for stating a well known fact. I’m aware of what series runs what tire (Humpy)
    both WMT and TTOM run Hoosiers BUT IT”S A DIFFERENT COMPOUND. Which was my point. The Tour guys
    don’t support TT even though they both are on Hoosiers. YOU made the claim that switching from AR to Hoosier would bring in the stars. The MRS run Hoosiers as well on different compound yet. And the ROC. What do you mean the TTOM will be on them next year? They have been running Hoosiers since day one there.
    We’re not going to know the real reason Gary switched but you know it’s about $$$. I’m crazy but Doug states he gets “kicked in the marbles” if Stafford brings back the same schedule. Damn what a burden it must be to stay home on a night when real Mods are running (with many of your favo SK stars as well) . Maybe you and Larry D can stay home on those nights and watch the best of NE SK racing on YouTube. Stop smoking your nutmeg , it’s a spice.

  22. Excuse me crazy. I forgot to add the word “again” when I said the TTOM will be on them next year. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

  23. Man Crazy I’m loving your passion. Taking on we nutmegger’s. We are lucky here indeed. Thompson, Stafford and Waterford. All in reasonably comfortable traveling distance and with unique and challenging track configurations. All seemingly to be holding their own in attendance and car counts.
    As for hitting me in the marbles for my marble comment that’s fair. Some of us just favor what a great value the regular show at $17.50 was. But as far as I’m concerned whatever Stafford does it will probably be a good decision. Wish you were here to enjoy it with us.

  24. Fast Eddie says:

    I understand there are different Hoosier compounds from one series to the other, but I would guess there would be less changes or adjustments than a different brand of tire.
    I also understand if you’re fortunate enough to live close to a track and can go every week that maybe you don’t want to pay extra to see your weekly favorites. In my case the two closest tracks to me are part time Thompson and Seekonk with only a few modified shows. For me even those are usually more than an hour’s drive. Consequently if I’m driving a distance anyway, the more modifieds running the better!

  25. Crazy in NY says:

    We all have our passion for the sport and that’s what binds us together. btw Stafford is my favorite
    short track I’ve been to. I don’t get there as much as I would like. Waterford is fantastic too but my duties on the touring Mod I crew on rarely bring me there. That said I wish I could offer a Crazy in NY
    traveling bus tour so you guys can spend a couple of weeks sampling what passes for Modified racing here in upstate NY. You’ll beg me to take you home LOL. The asphalt track owners here are the worst.
    ( most not all). The SK stuff you have is fantastic mostly ( except the crap driving that peeks thru at times) I’d trade it for our Sportsman class any day of the week. The ROC had AR’s a few years ago and everybody hated them the first year. Like anything else though the better guys figured them out and they raced well on our bigger tracks. On the 1/3 and small tracks maybe the Hoosier is probably better but I don’t like having ONE choice of anything. MRS vs MTS I’m all for. Let the better series survive if there is only room for one but let the paying customers make the decision. Sorry I’m going to miss MTS at Waterford but I can’t wait for the TTOM finale at Seekonk. It’s all good in my eyes.

  26. Nicely put Eddie. Different interests doesn’t mean an opposing one is wrong.

  27. That’s right Crazy. An argument about divisions, tires, touring series, track food or whatever doesn’t even qualify as an argument. It’s racing fans engaging in harmless banter while waiting for the next race.
    Great insight on the local NY scene.
    The winner regarding tours will be capitalism. It alone will determine how it shakes out. Who wins, who loses. The good news, if you have a car, a team and the resources to field it you’re wanted somewhere.

  28. Fast Eddie says:

    Thanks Doug! My ultimate oxymoron: “The one thing humans have in common that makes us all the same is that we’re all different!” Four events left this season, and I’m hoping to go to 3 of them. One will have 4 modified classes, one will have 2-3, and the other will have 1 with a bunch (I hope!) of mods.

  29. Crazy in NY says:

    The good news, if you have a car, a team and the resources to field it you’re wanted somewhere.

    Smartest thing I’ve read on here in a long while.

  30. Art, I don’t feel the best teams run with the NA$CAR modified tour. The teams with the biggest budgets and the most money to spend run the NA$CAR tour. I only go when my friend drags me to those races. I lost interest in that series about 15 to 17 years ago when most of the real racers retired. I have seen many people bash the top runners of the other series on here. I feel if you give any of the top runners on the other series unlimited money to run their OWN teams with NASCAR it wouldn’t take them long to be running up front and winning races. And don’t try to argue that Jon McKennedy had his chance at Loudon. It was obvious that he was there to just run laps,keep all the wheels on the car,help the owners win the championship, and drive the car in the trailer.

  31. I agree Ed, look how many past owners have walked away from the WMT because of the $ it takes to run or NASCAR politics. Some either run the MRS, ERMT or just the TTOM others have just stopped and called it quits.

  32. getserious says:

    Hey Ed, I think there are people who comment on these boards that are either –A. Paid NASCAR stooges; –B. People who have a lot of money invested in the Tour; or (most likely)C. Still defining the Tour by looking through rose-colored glasses back at the great days of the 70s and 80s. Face it, the racing is better in the SKs, the SK Lites, the TTMS, the MTS, the MRS. And the ACT!

  33. Ya getserious. I am not a devoted fan of the WMT. A Stafford SK fan for sure. But I know what I see at Stafford. A WMT a cut above the rest for whatever reason. Bigger crowds, excitement and anticipation. Way above the rest. And thank goodness for it.

  34. Ed J,I agree 100% that the whelen teams are the best funded.You can see that just by watching the haulers enter.It only reinforces the the fact that they are the best teams on the track.Agreed also that many of other teams might do very well on the tour with a rich uncle.I have followed ROC, MRS,and MTS and in my opinion NWMT puts on the best shows year in and out.Even with NASCAR screwing things up as they do regularly it’s still the best tour out there as seen thru my rose colored glasses.I my opinion Jon McKennedy is a throw back kind of a guy we all watched years back.He could race anything anywhere.And wrench the car to boot.As far as the SK goes sometimes good racing and a lot of demo derby wrecks every 3 laps.Not even close to the mods, and yes I know a lot of good teams and drivers compete in SK.For me too many bone head yellows.I would never make the long drives that I do to watch SK racing when I could stay home and see mods and crate mods.To each his own I guess.I only know what I like.

  35. darealgoodfella says:

    Ed J, there is indeed a very good correlation between the teams with the biggest budgets and where those teams are in the standings. Under-funded teams are not going to place well, not a chance. If you don’t have the same or best hardware as the leaders, you can’t run with them. And then there are those teams that do have the best parts and still can’t run with the leaders. See how that works? It takes expensive parts and a flux capacitor to have a chance. That’s the way it is. If anyone can race for cheap and be competitive, everyone would be doing this, the standings would be clogged with only a couple points separating the owners/drivers from top to bottom, and there would not be a car count problem.

  36. As a Stafford SK fan I’ll take the opposing view from Arts.
    The WMT is the premier modified division, has a major following, is clearly a cut above and has nothing to do with any weekly racing series. Are some WMT fans looking for a tug of war that doesn’t exist, perhaps so. Are they kind of elitist at times as Crazy in NY suggested, you can judge for yourself.
    Art likes what he likes and that’s great. The only point of contention is his observation on “demo derby wrecks every 3 laps”. Has that happened? I would presume so. It’s 40 laps, not 100 plus and there is a greater urgency. The fact is the SK field of drivers is a uniquely talented group going very deep that Ted Christopher said was clearly more talented and competitive then any weekly division he had ever raced in. He observed if the “stars were aligned” any one of 12 guys could win on any given night. In the last Friday night show 16 or so cars went lap after lap in a pack showing great skill. That sort of racing under a blanket with 2 to 5 cars fighting to take the checkered on the last lap was routine all season.
    So here’s the WMT races over on this side. Long, strategic, spread out with subtleties appreciated by it’s loyal and knowledgeable fans. On the other side the weekly SK division. A 40 lap sprint, no strategy, no tires changes based on wear, no thinking, just get to the front ASAP. We know these guys have talent and don’t need to demean the WMT in the process to make the point.

  37. So Doug, if you believe in what you write about the 100+ laps with strategy (WMT) vs 40 lap sprints, no thinking, get there as quickly as possible (SK) then I guess a WMT race, 50 laps, no tire change would make it possible for anyone to win regardless of the other varibles such as equipment and funding based on the TC theory? I would think your answer would be yes.

  38. I think I made my point fairly clearly humphry. I couldn’t be more positive about the WMT, the product, the fans and the fact they are in a class by themselves. My main interest was underscoring the great racing the SK’s offer, the fact that it’s a different product and different strategies. I clearly will disagree with anyone that says it’s a demo derby. Ones an apple, one is an orange but they are both very tasty succulent fruit with different tastes for different people. As to your what it……..irrelevant in my view.

  39. darealgoodfella says:

    Okay, humphry is smarter than Doug.

  40. dareal,
    You 100% missed my point. Art stated in an earlier post that the best teams race on the WMT. My point is that the teams with the most money and the teams with the most money to waste race on the WMT. I don’ feel that the best teams all race on the tour. There are many great teams racing in the other series, they are just too smart to throw away their money on the tour. I feel that the only reason NASCAR is still involved with the modifieds is so they can have a presence in southern New England. If Stafford and/or Thompson were to drop NASCAR the WMT would be no more. NASCAR is all about the money and that is fine, they are a business and a business wants to make money. Anyone out there that thinks any different is only fooling themselves.

  41. Ed you are 100% correct, the teams with the most money to spend/waste run the WMT. There are teams out there that if they had the resources would make life difficult on the top level teams that run the WMT. Just to mention a couple McKennedy and Hinkley.

  42. Humphry are you for real? McKennedy has one top five finish in 33 WMT starts, most coming with name/known teams with good equipment. He’s had numerous opportunities with good teams on the WMT and failed each time. A few weeks ago he had the chance to drive the best car in the series this year and was never even a factor near the top-10 all day. McKennedy is one of those guys who excels in divisions where cars don’t get teched. Put him in a division with tech and he suddenly forgets how to drive. Funny how that works.

  43. Modrod,
    Please see my earlier post about McKennedy’s “big Chance” at Loudon. If you honestly think he was there for any other reason than to ride around and secure the owner’s championship for the 6 team then you are not paying attention or do not realize that was a “big picture” race for that team. I bet if you were to ask the owner of the 6 team, he was thrilled to finish in front of the 2 and drive the race car into the trailer with no damage. McKennedy did the job he was hired for that day.

  44. darealgoodfella says:

    Ed J, I guess you have to specifically define what a “best team” is.

    Hardware must be top notch, with the engines from the best builders. And of course, the carburetor and flux capacitor. They must all be the best, only the most money can buy. Anything less than that and no amount of talent can overcome the hardware deficiencies.

    Talent? Not enough to go around. Sometimes horsepower compensates for less than the best Crew Chief. Look at the 44… it’s been up and down, but most consistent lately with Santos Sr. in the Crew Chief position. Silk is doing pretty good in that car with a new Crew Chief. The 51 is back where it should be with the old Crew Chief. Look at Pasteryak… he was never a factor on the NWMT, he leaves the NWMT, goes and runs the VMRS and wins a championship and is a contender. Did a couple NWMT races, never a factor again. He could be a “best team” on the VMRS, but a field filling non-contender on the NWMT.

    There can’t be deficiencies.

    If there ever was an event where cars from all series showed up and ran the same race, it would be dominated by the NWMT teams. When the southern cars came up here, they were humiliated. When the northern cars went down south, they won very often, and populated the top 5, displacing the locals. And the VMRS, TTOMS, etc. don’t have a chance if they run a NWMT event. They just don’t and never showed a chance.

    So how do you want to define the “best teams”?

  45. darealgoodfella says:

    Modrod, Ed J is right.

    When McKennedy drove the 6 @ Loudon, it was purely to preserve the Owner’s Championship points, and not put that at risk. The end.

  46. I’m hearing a 4th Modified Touring Series with AR Tiers in New England for 2018. Just a shame.
    Why give your money away at Stafford for these hack Modified tours that pay 1/4 to 1/3 the purse of a WMT race and charge the same back gate fee. The tracks are screwing you over, the fan and competitor. Stay home.

  47. A person on the inside in the forum suggested teams split off and form new tours not to dominate or break down the WMT but to simply have more control over the events in which they participate. Pretty much everyone that follows modifieds will stipulate the WMT has the best equipment and teams as well as the strongest following. That has nothing to do with a race at a track in July that has another tour show up. That particular night the people that go are looking for some good racing action. They want the local regulars they know to be in the field which they usually are and if Preece shows up it’s icing on the cake. If you’re of the mindset that it’s necessary to belittle anything not WMT or cannot have the good will to say other tours have some quality teams worth seeing then you’re choosing to fight a battle that you have already won handily.

  48. Commenter to Shawn, commenter to Shawn, come in Shawn. Do you know approximately when Stafford typically releases it’s schedule for the next season? Thanks.

  49. Doug, what I will stipulate is the only reason the WMT has the best equipment and teams is because the owners have the money to spend and that is not belittling just stating fact. And as far as I am concerned Preece showing up at an MRS or ERMT race with his 18 wheel stacker hauler is not icing on the cake for me.

  50. Doug,
    Last year it was November. The year before December. So typically before New Years.

  51. Doug,It is not my intention to belittle or fight with anyone.I acknowledge that there are good teams in all racing divisions and have stated so.Whatever someone likes is fine with me from legends to mods.I have my likes and dislikes also.This is about the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions to me.It gets hot and heavy sometimes and sarcasm abounds.So I hope you can keep your flux capacitor from overheating

  52. As an aficionado of your comments art the only thing I can see getting heated about is the overuse and abuse you and one other person are heaping on the fictional term flux capacitor that is really spoiling my recollections of Marty and Doc. Otherwise I was measured, respectful and as always tried to add information to the discussion as you do. With regard to your goal of not belittling others chosen focus of in interest in modified racing I with provide this from you.
    “As far as the SK goes sometimes good racing and a lot of demo derby wrecks every 3 laps.Not even close to the mods, and yes I know a lot of good teams and drivers compete in SK.For me too many bone head yellows ”
    So in so far as your goal is to not belittle the interests of others I would have to rate your progress in that regard “needs work”.
    This is fun isn’t it?

  53. I’m paying attention humphrey. You think the WMT has problems and is the best mostly cause they have the most money which frequently they waste. You support the existence of competing tours, think they have some good teams and are happy to let the fans and market shake out who survives and who dies. If I got that right I agree with it all.

  54. darealgoodfella says:

    art, you are so right. The SK series has great potential for great racing, but the fans seem to like the wrecking. I understand “the customer is alway right” but this has gone too far. There’s hardly much racing in that series, LOTS of wrecking, and really numbskull wrecking at that. Do they even use mirrors and spotters? They drive like they are driving a bulldozer or tank. For a series that should be low dollar racing, they drive like they have unlimited budgets for repairs. Perhaps the Speedbowl should resurrect the figure-8s from the days of Islip and give the fans what they want: wrecking, wrecking and more wrecking. Even better, have genuine demolition derbies. The Figure-8s and demolition derby series would fit perfectly at the New London-Waterford Deplorabowl.

    Thompson will be quite the show, flux capacitors will be finely tuned and polished.

  55. Doug,If stating facts about yellow flags in SK racing is belittling or fake news I’m sorry about that, but that is what I see happening at the tour events that I go to that have SK on the card.Not unusual to have multiple crashes to start the race.Maybe regular Friday nite shows are different, but I don’t go to see those races.If you want someone to brag with you about the emperors new clothes you need to find someone else.We should move on to new business.

  56. art, you simply said you don’t belittle other divisions and race fans interests after just having done it. All I was doing is pointing out your hypocrisy especially since you freely admit that you don’t see the regular Friday night shows. If you want to be critical of racing you mostly don’t know much about feel free. Just don’t pretend it’s not belittling others interests.
    Now advice for me is to not critique the WMT that I don’t know that much about. Oh wait I don’t.

  57. getserious says:

    Well, it’s hard to have many yellows in the WMT because there’s ten car lengths between all the cars in that boring freight train. SKs are RACING, side by side and bumper to bumper. Just because the big money is in the WMT and some of you guys have a financial stake in the business does not make it the best racing. That’s your Emperor’s new clothes right there.

  58. Here come the judge, here come the judge, order in the courtroom here come the judge. All stand, Judge Dareal presiding. On count one your honor how do you find the racing in the SK division as Stafford? Dareal-“Guilty of racing like they are in bulldozers and tanks.” . On count two judge Dareal how to you find Nascars Monster Series? Judge Dareal “without Dale Earnhart Jr the empty stands this year will be worse next year and the future bleak”. On count three Judge Dareal how do you find the prospects of Waterford completing a full season? Judge Dareal: Zero. Fans and teams will stay away in droves and the season will collapse into the decrepit septic field the track sits on. On count 4 Judge Dareal how do you find the WMT? Judge Dareal: simply magical. Thank you Judge Dareal, your wisdom, humility and good judgement are standards we should all strive to emulate.

  59. Oops now you did in get serious. You riled the snobs. Now you’re going to get a stern lecturing from the experts that as far as I can see will get mad at anything that delays them from the WMT feature race.

  60. darealgoodfella says:

    art, don’t confuse the narrative with facts. They don’t like that.

    “Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.” – Mark Twain

  61. I don’t get this belittling thing dareal.I simply said I don’t like the SK racing that I see.It’s not a statement that Doug shouldn’t be a fan.We are all entitled to our opinions.No matter how many times this is explained to Doug he sticks to his talking point.”poor sk series getting trashed by the mighty nwmt”.Even though that is not the case.It’s ridiculous to say I have a financial stake in NASCAR.Get serious is not serious.Maybe Doug likes to stir the pot or maybe somebody peed in his Frosted Flakes.I don’t know but I think I’m done splainin.

  62. “They”. You mean the ignorant masses Dareal. Unlike you The Judge and art. How very elitist of you. The thing about quotes is they are like guns. Just cause you have one doesn’t mean you know how to use it or can aim it properly.

  63. darealgoodfella says:

    You didn’t belittle anything, you just stated facts. Facts that the fans of the SKs or what ever do not want to acknowledge. I get frustrated with the SK series. It could be so good, but there is just too much wrecking. It’s such a waste of equipment.

    We are entitled to our opinions, and if others don’t like it, tough 💩. Some just like to redirect the narrative to where the conversation isn’t, to keep the topic obfuscated. Take the kneeling situation in the NFL. It started as a protest against racism and police brutality. Now Trump is an unabashed racist and panderer to law enforcement (regardless), so he attempts to redirect the #takeaknee movement as an attack on the flag, anthem, and military. So sad. Like what our peed on corn flakes guy does. He can’t hold up a discussion, so he drones on and on about tangential assertions, insinuations, and innuendo. art, it’s all about playing the victim card. When somebody gets themselves in trouble, like an untenable argument or simple discussion, they whip out the victim card, ie: the belittling bit. Like Trump and Gingrich… they get caught fooling around with women other than their wives and they complain about being caught and not being treated fairly, making like they are the victims. It’s pathetic.

    art, will you be at Thompson? Keep an eye out for the flux capacitors… they will be out. And the Mr. Fusions… a new addition to the mix. Stick around for post race tech, it will be entertaining.

  64. This is fun isn’t it?
    That was informative art. Here I’m thinking you are this well informed person of substance. Turns out you not only share Dareal’s elitist views you are also just as foul.
    My turn.
    “poor sk series getting trashed by the mighty nwmt” I never said that.
    What you said art:

    “As far as the SK goes sometimes good racing and a lot of demo derby wrecks every 3 laps.Not even close to the mods, and yes I know a lot of good teams and drivers compete in SK.For me too many bone head yellows ”

    A miss informed opinion but that’s fine. Then you add this:

    “It is not my intention to belittle or fight with anyone”

    Sure it’s your intention to belittle the SK division. You even go as far as saying they are “.Not even close to the mods”. SK’s aren’t “mods”. That’s news to me.
    OK to sum up. No problem with saying anything you like about any division you care to address. My suggestion is to not be a hypocrite and pretend you’re now being snarky while doing it.

  65. Dareal this caught my attention.
    “Now Trump is an unabashed racist and panderer to law enforcement (regardless), so he attempts to redirect the #takeaknee movement as an attack on the flag, anthem, and military. So sad. Like what our peed on corn flakes guy does. He can’t hold up a discussion, so he drones on and on about tangential assertions, insinuations, and innuendo.”
    “Tangential” Man that is a great word. And using it in a couple sentences condemning the incorporation of “tangential” issues while at the same time meandering off into a diatribe on the president and urine in breakfast cereal is bold I grant you that. I do believe you just trashed a literary faux pas by doing the exact thing you condemn.

  66. Man Dareal I love mining your comments for gold. There’s so many competing thoughts afoot. Like this:

    “Like Trump and Gingrich… they get caught fooling around with women other than their wives and they complain about being caught and not being treated fairly, making like they are the victims. It’s pathetic.”

    If some one asked if it was possible to bring these particular political personalities into a conversation, group them together and relate them in some form in a forum dedicated to circle track racing I’d say no way. And yet here you did it. It’s like you have all this crap floating around your head and all it takes is some perceived or real slight and you go off like a grenade.

  67. darealgoodfella says:

    art said: “This is about the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions to me.”

    art, you are clearly a very wise man, and you know that free and open discussion of ideas and opinions is something that is only enjoyed among intellectuals and thinkers.

    The first problem is that many get facts confused with opinions. I often use statistics to refute opinions, and that gets people really upset. That’s their problem. For many, they are woefully oblivious to the obvious. The STATISTICS will determine the facts, not pressing harder or more often on the keys of the keyboard.

    The other problem is that very few race fans are objective intellectuals and thinkers. The rest are advocates. The “butwhataboutism”, diversion, distraction, insinuation, and innuendo, still doesn’t work. Still.

    The number of cautions in SK races is obvious and cannot be overlooked. Too many, they can’t string together a long run. A long run should not be an anomaly. But then, long runs are often called boring. Look at the race attrition. Geeeeez. It just goes to show that there are people that go/watch races to see the wrecking. Watch the crowd… there is a very large population of the crowd that loves the wrecking. Watch the crowd. It is undeniable.

    art, the weather is not looking optimal for Thompson, but the racing should be good. Large entry list. If somebody has trouble, the large entry list could prove to be a factor. The 2 will have to stay out of trouble, more cars to evade, and you know what that means… the extra special flux capacitor gets unboxed. The 2 has been statistically very good at Stafford this season. They should do well again, according to the statistics. About the only way things can change is if cars have bad luck, the points gaps are such that a really good run most likely cannot move a car up in the points and change the championship order. Maybe the 16 can get ahead of the 51. You know the top 5 in points will most likely dominate the top 5 of the race. So there is only one thing to do: watch for the wrecks. LOL!!!

    🤣 😜

  68. Hey Dareal, I’m going to call your “tangential” and raise you an ” inured”.
    I have become “inured” to arts and your references to urine in my breakfast cereal. In fact so inured I just bought some General Mills stock.
    My apologies to any reading this and having to endure my droning on about tangential issues.

  69. You reading this art. Now Dareal really knows how to trash a division.
    “The number of cautions in SK races is obvious and cannot be overlooked. Too many, they can’t string together a long run. A long run should not be an anomaly. But then, long runs are often called boring. Look at the race attrition. Geeeeez. It just goes to show that there are people that go/watch races to see the wrecking. Watch the crowd… there is a very large population of the crowd that loves the wrecking. Watch the crowd. It is undeniable. ”

    Dareal on Dareal’s timely use of statistics”
    ” I often use statistics to refute opinions, and that gets people really upset. That’s their problem. For many, they are woefully oblivious to the obvious. The STATISTICS will determine the facts, not pressing harder or more often on the keys of the keyboard. ”
    Dareal’s use of statistics:
    “The number of cautions in SK races is obvious and cannot be overlooked. ”
    “Watch the crowd… there is a very large population of the crowd that loves the wrecking. Watch the crowd. It is undeniable. ”

    My question

    What statistics? I’m pretty sure watching we SK fans isn’t a statistic. In fact it’s a little creepy.

    This quote of Dareal’s not related to anything. It’s just fun to read in my view.

    The other problem is that very few race fans are objective intellectuals and thinkers. The rest are advocates. The “butwhataboutism”, diversion, distraction, insinuation, and innuendo, still doesn’t work. Still.”

  70. dareal,I definately will be at Thompson Sunday,Hopefully Seekonk,and Wall to close it out.Can’t wait to see the deuce try to sandbag just behind the leaders and just in front of those” scary guys” to quote the Red Baron.

  71. darealgoodfella says:

    art, I’ll be at Thompson and Seekonk. Seekonk is looking like it will be a real barnburner, looking forward to it.

    I’m thinking the 2 will stay behind the 16 & 51 if possible, let them battle it out and take themselves and each other out. But I don’t think the 16, 51, 58, 6 and 3 will be too polite to the 2. The 2 can get roughed up out there, and may need to use all that flux capacitor has to get out front and stay way out front. Restarts are going to be very tense. The 2 will probably hang back until the last 25 laps or so, stay in the top 5 – 10, away from the fray. Then after a late pit, get out in front and hopefully stay away from trouble. Up until this year, that worked pretty good for the 2.

    BONUS POINTS WILL BE CRUCIAL. Unless the 2 runs all out to hog the bonus points from the start and attempts to crush the 51, it has to stay close to the 51 and 16.

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