Finally First: Craig Lutz Wins Whelen Modified Tour NAPA Fall Final 150 At Stafford



Craig Lutz celebrate his first Whelen Modified Tour victory following the NAPA Fall Final 150 at Stafford Speedway (Photo: Fran Lawlor/RaceDayCT)

STAFFORD – In every racing division – from grassroots to the top levels – there’s always a ready list of the consensus picks as the likely next first-time winner. 

When it comes to the NASCAR Whelen Modified Tour, it’s fair to say Craig Lutz has occupied one of the top spots on that list for quite some time. 

Sunday the Miller Place, N.Y. driver got to erase his name from that list and add it to the series’ all-time win list. 

Lutz drove away from the division’s two biggest stars to get his first series win in the Whelen Modified Tour NAPA Fall Final 150 Sunday at Stafford Speedway. 

“Everyone kept on coming up to me [asking] ‘When’s it coming?’” Lutz said. “… To finally knock one off is an amazing feeling.” 

Lutz was making his 66thcareer series start Sunday at Stafford. He made his division debut in 2014 and has run full-time with the series since 2016. He came into Sunday’s event fourth in the Whelen Modified Tour standings with eight top-fives and 11 top-10’s in the first 14 events this year. 

“It feels amazing,” Lutz said. “The first win is always special. I put more pressure on myself. I have an awesome group of guys. Ever since we switched over to LFR race cars and Rob Fuller has been in our corner everything has been going really good.” 

It was the second consecutive year that the NAPA Fall Final 150 featured a first time series winner. Kyle Bonsignore got his first – and still only – win in the event in 2018. Lutz was second in the NAPA Fall Final 150 last year and finished second in the NAPA Spring Sizzler in May. 

“We’ve been pretty close every time we’ve come here since I joined the [No. 46] team,” Lutz said. “The Fall Final last year and the Spring Sizzler [this year] I was the runner-up so I was doing everything in my power to make sure that didn’t happen again.” 

Reigning series champion Justin Bonsignore of Holtsville, N.Y. was second and current series points leader and five-time series champion Doug Coby of Milford was third. 

Lutz went by Coby for the lead on lap 118 with Bonsignore moving to second a lap later. Lutz was able to pull away from Bonsignore and Coby over the closing laps. 

Bonsignore remained winless in 37 Whelen Modified Tour starts at Stafford dating back to 2010. 

“We really wanted to win here,” Bonsignore said. “I haven’t been this upset about a second in a while. I just really want to win here at Stafford. We made big gains this year. We’ll try again in the spring.” 

Said Coby: “We were just a little off. We kind of just misread the track a little bit for our adjustment on our tires. But we had a fast car all day. I can’t complain too much about a third place finish, and I’m thrilled for the 46 team and Craig Lutz. … It’s great to see my friends in victory lane. Even better to not see [Bonsignore] in victory lane.” 

Coby will take a 19-point lead over Bonsignore into the season ending Sunoco World Series 150 at Thompson Speedway on Oct. 13. Coby is on the hunt for his sixth career championship, looking to join seven-time series champion – the late Mike Stefanik – as the only two drivers in series history with six or more series titles. Stefanik, Tony Hirschman (five titles) and Coby are the only drivers in series history with more than two titles.

Bonsignore has won eight of the last nine Whelen Modified Tour events at Thompson dating back to the start of the 2017 season. Coby snapped his eight-race winning streak at the track in the Bud 150 on Aug. 14. 

“You’ve got to figure he’s going to go and lead the most laps and win like he usually does,” Coby said. “So I’ll work backwards from there and figure out where we have to finish. He’s got the tiebreaker right now with wins. So I’ve got to beat him by one at least. I guess we’ll worry about that when it happens.” 




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Comments

  1. CONGRATS to Craig Lutz and the #46 team FINALLY!!! Enjoy the victory

  2. Can I get a “Hell yeah” for Craig Lutz?

    Great job Craig!!

  3. If Fury takes credit for this one shame on them. We were parked next to the 46 and Rob Fuller was thrashing on that car. Rob told me that was chassis 59 their old house car that LFR manufactured. Craig, GREAT job! Well deserved!!

  4. Mr.Grala,

    You are a pathetic man. After reading your FB post, it is apparent that you must have some personal issues that make you try and stake claims to others successes. I am sorry that your son can not drive without it costing you hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I am also sorry that you really want to have a presence in the Motorsports industry but you are not doing your company name any justice. LFR has dropped the 51 because the owner wished to promote another company which his decision. The 46,2,75,36,21, and several other owners and drivers have politely asked that you do NOT use their teams in your social media drama but you still insist on pulling your childish desperate actions. I could never afford a Modified so I will never be a customer. BUT if I could afford it I would NEVER associate myself with such a PATHETIC individual. We are north east modifieds. Please take your designer shoes and go back to NC. You have hired Ryan Stone to represent your brand. Let him do his job. We do not need your drama in the northeast Modified series. You are cancer to the sport. Keep your drama in the late models where it belongs. All the rich dads would probably appreciate your antics but we sir do not. Please leave.

  5. 🏁 🏁 🏁 🏁 🏁

    Congratulations!!!

  6. Question. How can Robert Yates Racing engines take credit for anything they do after this Fury drama. They do not manufacture ANYTHING. They purchase parts and assemble them to sell them as RYR engines and offer track support. The crank, valves, heads etc are all manufactured somewhere else. Maybe they should speak with the folks at LFR for some advise on this! BTW I am just kidding. I am a LFR fan and think Fury is PATHETIC! Congrats Craig and team!!

  7. Congrats Craig, great race, great drive and this win was long overdue.

  8. They got the car for the Fall Final last year and it came in second in that race, second at the Sizzler and fifth in the August race. They did everything except win so the guy that said they were due nailed it. 36 for the win last week and 46 this week, How great is that? Nice comment from Coby giving Lutz a bit of praise while expressing satisfaction with the third place.
    “FURY Model-M cars finished 1-2-3-4! Congratulations to all!”
    If Fury had at least said “Model M chassis” they would be technically correct. A chassis is part of a race car, not a race car. Lutz bought an LFR race car last fall. If it were purely a model M chassis you couldn’t win because to start with it wouldn’t have any wheels. Rob has a lot of wheels.
    “Coby is on the hunt for his sixth career championship, looking to join seven-time series champion – the late Mike Stefanik – as the only two drivers in series history with six or more series titles. Stefanik, Tony Hirschman (five titles) and Coby are the only drivers in series history with more than two titles. ”
    Shouldn’t that be “in the modern era” ?

  9. Doug,
    I get what you’re inferring there but “the series” has only been in existence since 1985. Before that there was no “series”.

  10. I guess I should have known better. You said series my brain only saw champion.
    Thanks!

  11. Hank wrote: “Question. How can Robert Yates Racing engines take credit for anything they do after this Fury drama. They do not manufacture ANYTHING. They purchase parts and assemble them to sell them as RYR engines and offer track support. The crank, valves, heads etc are all manufactured somewhere else. Maybe they should speak with the folks at LFR for some advise on this! BTW I am just kidding. I am a LFR fan and think Fury is PATHETIC! Congrats Craig and team!!”

    🤡🤡🤡🤡😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂

    RYR can claim all it wants. It’s the only viable engine allowed.

    🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 😂 😂 😂 😂 🤣 🤣 🤣 😂 😂 🤣 🤣 😂 🤡

    It is well known that “LFR” did not manufacture their own product, chassis frames and pipes, they were sourced. Since “LFR” moved up north that is. Didn’t do their own welding, didn’t do their own repairs, farmed it out. They assembled the cars to be sold to turnkey racers. Handed the cars over to top talented teams.

    There’s more to the story. Impeachment is just starting. It will get even more interesting.

    Why was the acquisition of Troyer announced as a merger? That appears to have been very deceptive. Why such emphasis that it was done legally? Was legality ever a concern?

    Where is the all important R&D car?

    When will the technical specifics about the chassis be made available? Next level means nothing.

  12. Sybil,

    I’ve been around modified racing a long time. I’ve seen Evans, G. Bodine, Jarzombek, Tony Hirschman, Ruggerio, Spencer, Kent, Stefanik, and many of the other greats, at many tracks. Those guys were DRIVERS. Coby can win many more championships and he will never get near that group. Please note that Ruggerio never won a championship, and he is considered one of the top ten DRIVERS of all-time modified racing. Coby can win all the championships he can, but he will never be known or respected as a GREAT DRIVER of modified racing.

  13. Well stated John, with you 100%.

  14. There’s a lot of things I’d love to exchange ideas with you on DGF. However if it’s always going to start with name calling, taunts and know it all attitude what’s the point. It’s funny you have such a problem with Trump and yet you mimic his perpetually combative style. If at some point you can control yourself and be civil then by all means, a respectful exchange is always fun.

  15. And dareal can change to his multiple aliases and make the most posts on this site but he will never be respected as AN INTELLIGENT fan of modified racing.

  16. “…….did not manufacture their own product, chassis frames and pipes,………..”

    Dareel where exactly are the “pipes” on a Fuller chassis?
    (this ought to be good)

  17. I was able to talk to a few drivers during the pit party, and mentioned to Craig Lutz that based on his finishes, I thought he was the most overdue driver there. I was very glad to see my statement was only valid for part of the day. Congrats to Craig and the #46 team!! AND he held off the two most successful drivers in the series at the moment, Bonsignore and Coby!! Also, congrats to Hard Chargin’ Hossfeld and the #21!! No practice, had to start in the back, and finished 4th!! This guy doesn’t need to retire, he needs a race team to drive for!!

  18. This Fury LFR thing is a little ridiculous. I guess who ever actually has the jig and welded the chassis together is the chassis builder. After that it is free game, just like there are Northeast Troyers and Hirshman Troyers there are probably many twists on the LFR or Fury Chassis I am sure the 2 isn’t the same as the 51 or the 44 used to be. Fuller came on the scene with the LFR chassis around the same time as the spec motor and the combination seemed very good from the get go. He smartly aligned with good teams and drivers right out of the gate. His house car always ran well and he has had a strangle hold on the Whelen championship. I think Fuller is absolutely a proven set up guy, especially with the spec motors and has proven to be a great resource for many teams and has branded his cars well. But at the end of the day whether it is a Fuller Troyer or Fuller Fury he deserves credit for set ups and modifications but who ever welded the the thing together can also take ownership of their part as well. He might hate the Fury people but obviously at one point he thought enough of them to use them as his fabricator and built many winning and dominant cars with chassis they had a part in building. Fuller is obviously the face of LFR and the brains but whether he likes it or not there are still some Fury fabricated LFR’s out there and really who cares no one thinks they are the reason the cars win.

  19. Crazy scribbled, ” “…….did not manufacture their own product, chassis frames and pipes,………..”

    Dareel where exactly are the “pipes” on a Fuller chassis?
    (this ought to be good)”

    Once again proving he is without a chance of a clue.

  20. I’d like to know where the “pipes” are too. As far as I know race cars are built using tubing. Pipe is used to carry water, and gas, stuff like that, and doesn’t have the strength to be used in a race car.

  21. It is tubing. They are pipes if something flows through them.

  22. Dadope if fuller and Leavitt didn’t start LFR, everyone could still be riding around in their 20 year old troyer , and Dariass wouldn’t have had a business to buy, I don’t understand how a guy could start a business,after all the guy can’t even weld

  23. TC used to say that new pipes are better.

    You gonna disagree with TC?

  24. I believe it is called center ground tubing not center ground pipe? Never seen rectangular pipe, just rectangular tubing unless I am missing something. Oh I forgot, there are exhaust pipes on a race car (headers) but they are for the engine, not the frame or cage and they are made from? You guessed it, tubing.

    Crazy let me put it to you this way, did you ever try to argue with yourself? Let me know how you make out with that……

  25. Great comment unbiased as usual. I don’t think Fuller hates Fury or anyone in racing for that matter. The two companies are busting each others chops. Maybe down south they think Fury associating itself with the top cars is a thing because they could car less about modifieds. Up here is it really more then kind of a running joke at this point?
    Fuller for his part is busting chops as well. He’s on record saying he respects the owners ID of their equipment but keeps the 51 on his Facebook home page. That’s chop busting 101.
    Great shout out to the fabricator. It isn’t just welding although it’s art as much as skill. It’s the bending, fit, and patience it takes to get the notching right and maintain proper clearances and tack it all up before the the final long and tedious welding process. Tedious but critical because a lives depend on it. Fuller knows it was quality work and in a way is busting chops by not mentioning at least once.
    There won’t be any legal action. What there will be is more chop busting.

  26. Tubing and pipe are different animals.Structural Tubing (the kind used to build race cars) is sized by it’s outside diameter. It can be welded seam or D.O.M. . and has different wall thickness’s. Pipe is identfied by inside diameter, and is broken down by Schedule 40, 60, 80. . Hydraulic tubing like structural tubing is sized by o.d. and wall thickness, but is a softer steel than structural tubing. I’ve worked with pipi most of my life and definitely would not try to build a race car with it

  27. Crazy, let me make this clear for you, since everything has to be explained to you. When TC was rolling out a new car, he didn’t make anything of it because as he said, everybody knows new pipes run better. So he didn’t want to show his hand. But TC definitely referred to a chassis frame as “pipes”.

    Geez, TC would be having so much fun with this. Wonder what chassis brand he’d prefer to wall with his patented 8-wheel drive move? Remember how he used to say 8 wheels are better than 4?

  28. Racers have a saying ” nothin like new pipe” this saying goes back to the very early days of racing (1920’s &30’s) when the racers actually built their cars with pipe. If you know anything about racing then you know allot of people died in those early days. But that saying stuck, probly cause it sound better than ” nothin like new tubing”. Really Dareal, do some reasearch. With Google it ain’t hard to do. As for the building of a car, we all know you never have, so don’t pretend you have.

  29. Dadope is now comparing himself to TC , problem is there is no comparison

  30. Coby has a 19 point lead going into Thompson. Bonsignore has the tie break based on wins. Where does
    Coby have to finish to ensure the championship? I honestly don’t know how Nascar calculates points on the tour.

  31. The 46 car is chassis 50. This chassis was manufactured by LFR. This was confirmed by 3 crew members. It was the house car at LFR. One was a LFR employee. Sorry Fury. Please stop with the drama. It’s not helping the series.

  32. Tubing, pipe, tomato, tomahto, are the semantics really that important to you guys? Many racers and people involved in racing call it pipe instead of tubing. We’re not talking stoves and bathrooms, we’re talking race cars! I think most of us have that part figured out; that’s why we’re here and not on a Lowe’s or Home Depot forum! I don’t think many in the racing world would make a big deal out of it being referred to as pipe instead of tubing. How about we talk racing? Chassis have been called pipes since before I was a little kid, and that was a long time ago.

  33. I would like to see Nascar drop the I tire per pit stop rule .Its much quicker to change 3 tires during 1 stop than to watch them circle around to change 1 tire each stop. It looked like that track was ready to go after the first stops and they let them circle around again 2 more times. It just holds up the show for the fans.

  34. Except for Evans Bodine and Charlie J Spencer Coby has raced with everyone else and beat them you fit your new nickname just fine DA Dope still dreaming of Coby 😂

  35. Well I guess that settles it, because TC called them pipes, I guess they are pipes.

  36. Congratulations Craig and entire 46 team. Awesome job! Well deserved. It was fun watching with the team. On to Thompson do it again!

  37. CG,
    I haven’t done the exact math, but just a quick thought, about 14th.

  38. Crazy in NY says

    Well….I knew that bate would school the fish. As I figured most of the Raceday brethren understand clearly the diff between pipe and tubing. Next up for Dareel do you know the diff between ID and OD and of course the whole world knows tc stands …tube chassis. ( I”ll be ole Teddy did too) LOL …..

    When a race is boring the comments section fills in nicely. Keep the hits a comin boys and girls.

  39. I don’t know. Kinda enjoyed the pipe vs tubing banter. As is turns out Rob was technically correct and correct about the origins of the word pipe that is inaccurate now but accurate when drivers used water pipe for cages and died using muffler pipe. Eddy’s right it’s inaccurate but it has deep roots in the sport so what’s that harm.
    I took a shot at the points.
    JB has 605 now and in this scenario gets 43 for first plus 3 for the win plus 2 for leading a lap and the most laps.That’s 653 points. Coby has 624 now making the differential 29. I gave him 1 for leading a lap reducing the differential to 28. That would be 16th place. However they both would have the same number of wins and I don’t know who has the greater number of 2nd place finishes so it could be 15th place if JB wins the tie breaker..
    In scenario 2 I assume JB comes in second so that’s 605 plus 42 plus two point for leading a lap and the most laps totaling 649. Coby has 624 pre race so he needs 25 points. Less one to lead a lap and he needs to come in 20th or better.
    I reckon the spread is 15 to 20 places depending on what happens.
    My first shot at that so error corrections would be appreciated. Section 17 in the NASCAR rule book for home gamers running their own scenario’s.
    file:///C:/Users/mdb06/AppData/Local/Temp/2019-NWMT-Rulebook.pdf

  40. Doug,
    Bonsignore has five wins to Coby’s four so he has clinched that tiebreaker already. If Doug were to win and match Justin’s win total there would obviously be no need for any tiebreaker scenario.

  41. OK that’s error one as I transposed the two drivers. The reason why I showed my numbers so they could be checked.
    The need for the 15th place finish is off the board. Any other holes or insights RaceDayCT nation?

  42. Doug, why do you find the need to over complicate and analyze everything to death? Very simply put, JB needs to win and Coby needs to have misfortune that takes him out of the points race. Thanks Shawn for the readers digest version.

  43. One of Sybil’s personalities has again judged who was correct.

    🤣😂🤣😂🤡

    Crazy carefully wrote, “Well….I knew that bate would school the fish.”

    I’ll leave that there. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 🎣 🎣 🎣 🎣 🎣 🎣 🎣 🎣

    One of Sybil’s personalities wrote, “OK that’s error one as I transposed the two drivers.”

    Need to insert “trillion” between “one” and “as”.

  44. Kevin wrote, “The 46 car is chassis 50. This chassis was manufactured by LFR. This was confirmed by 3 crew members. It was the house car at LFR. One was a LFR employee. Sorry Fury. Please stop with the drama. It’s not helping the series.”

    Please clarify what you mean by “LFR”. Was it LFR in NC, or LFR in MA? LFR in NC had manufacturing capability, whereas LFR in MA does not have manufacturing capability.

  45. If you were the sum of all people in the forum Earl I would agree completely. You aren’t and some may enjoy breaking down the possibilities.
    Surely if there is room for taunting, politics, name calling and a pipe discussions there must be room for a little fine tuning on points that are in play.
    I am however quite grateful that you have not taken me to task for being off topic. Apparently since you’ve been off it yourself so I get a pass here apparently.
    Live long and prosper Earl!

  46. According to Rob Fuller LFR while based in NC manufactured chassis’ 001-053.

  47. Earl, when a person understands the subject, it’s all simple. When a person doesn’t understand, it is totally mesmerizing. Hence, we have Doug.

  48. Fast Eddie says

    I think talking championship “what if’s” are a lot more interesting than the pipe vs. tubing debate. Thank goodness we didn’t segue into “mild steel vs. chrome moly”! 🙂

  49. Fast Eddie says

    For season long points battles, we have: Car# (points)
    1st place: 2 (624) vs. 51 (605)
    3rd place: 85 (556) vs. 46 (552)
    5th place: 3 (481) vs. 58 (480) vs. 16 (479) vs. 07 (476) vs. 75 (471)
    10th through 14th points are pretty close as well. Every single pass and every single point will count!
    The “Battle of Thompson” should be pretty wild!

  50. Fast Eddie, the only viable championship “what if” is if the 2 will screw up very badly. Nothing JBon can do about it now. The 2 had only one race outside the top ten this season. Will bad luck catch up with the 2 at Thompson? We shall see. Depends on what kind of pipes they run. 😉

  51. Crazy in NY says

    “I would like to see Nascar drop the I tire per pit stop rule .Its much quicker to change 3 tires during 1 stop than to watch them circle around to change 1 tire each stop. It looked like that track was ready to go after the first stops and they let them circle around again 2 more times. It just holds up the show for the fans.”

    Amen to that. talk about a cluster. A crewman was injured during that cluster compounded by the fact that some teams had to share pit boxes because they insist on starting more cars that they have room for. I had a couple of close calls out there myself as our driver didn’t have a chance to get in his stall. Screw that…done pitting a car on the Tour at this place. Mark Arute might want to rethink this stupid policy. Most of these teams are quite capable of a 3 tire stop and those that aren’t so good…practice. Makes no difference anyway. 2 and 51 were near the front and the 01 was the caboose. No need to imperil the health of these crew guys and gals.

  52. Rob p., wrote: “According to Rob Fuller LFR while based in NC manufactured chassis’ 001-053.”

    So that was built by what is now Fury, correct?

  53. Holding the yellow out to allow the teams to make their 3 or 4 single tire stops along with fuel just takes away from the green flag racing which is what everyone comes for, isn’t it?

    And crazy, you raise an excellent point when it comes to crew safety. Unfortunately it will probably come down to a crew member getting injured before NASCAR wakes up and makes a change. I just hope than is not the case.

  54. Fast Eddie says

    Dareal, your theory reminds me of Murphy’s Law and Lady Luck, both of whom can be pretty evil at times. Thinking of Ronnie Silk’s first championship when it looked like Szegedy had it covered due to early bad luck with Silk. Meanwhile Silk’s team persevered and Szegedy had even worse luck too late in the race to recover from. “Yah nevah know… Yah just nevah know”.

  55. @ Crazy in NY, The one tire per pit stop is not a NASCAR rule. They have to go with the tracks wishes as they are responsible for the purse. On that caution with less than 30 laps to go, NASCAR called one lap to go and a few of the points leaders decided they were gong to pit a third time. Under the rules, if they call one lap to go and you pit. you start at the tail end of the longest line. Well because the leaders decided to pit, they waved off the caution which allowed the point leaders to move ahead of the lap cars. Very unfair as a few teams went with the 2 tire chage to grab track position and was hoping wthey could stay ahead of the faster cars.

  56. Thanks Shawn. Basically Coby has to stay clean at the World Series and he should come out champion.

    Does anyone know the closest points battle for the Whelen Modified tour going into the season ending race. I remember one year Reggie Ruggerio was in a real close points race in the early 2000’s. That may have been Jerry Marquis championship year. TC had a couple of nail biters. Coby has had some good battles with Preece, Solomito, and Bonsignore over recent years.

  57. Yup But at the time remember, Fury didn’t exist.

  58. Fast Eddie, I was at that race. The Silk car looked like complete junk, but they kept coming in for pit stops and got the car running. Don’t know what Szegedy was thinking… the championship was his at that point and all he had to do was ride around, but he got himself into a bind and gave it away. It was stunning to watch Szegedy racing when he should have been staying away from the fray.

  59. The 51 is really screwed here. If he and the 2 set a blistering pace like always at Thompson it plays right into Coby’s hands. The more cars they put a lap or more down the better for Doug should something happen to him late in the race.

    Also, the other points race is for top 15 in owners points. Nascar doesn’t pay beyond 15th in the final standings. Something to keep an eye on.

    I agree with everything Earl said. Just wanted to get that in.

  60. Crazy in NY says

    Just Me. I understand that 1 tire thing isn’t a NASCAR thing I made reference to Mark Arute in my post you must of missed it.
    Earl….point being a crew WAS hurt Sunday and my own butt was put in a perilous position because
    of that joke of a policy of only lead lap cars on pit road for the first lap when the pits open then the rest of the field when we all know the leaders are coming in again for the second tire (at least) and when the smoke clears the guys that want tires all round get them. What’s the point? At the very least they should alter it to one jack of the car per stop. You could do your rights or your rears. One stop per yellow and your done. I’m done going over the wall at Stafford …that’s what I know.

  61. JD, good point. The 2 does not play well with others, so he will not chill out back in the pack. He will probably get out front, get into a rhythm, set a pace that the 51 must chase. Phil Moran is excellent at getting great tire mileage. The championship belongs to the 2, only they can give it away.

    There is no way the 51 can win the championship by its own efforts, it needs the 2 to screw up..

    The 51 can only hope that the 2 screws up BIGLY.

    Lots can happen in the top 15. Wade Cole is presently 17th, only 5 points out of the top 15, and could end up in the top 15 if there are DNFs.

  62. Crazy, I missed the crew member was hurt and hope it was nothing serious. I agree with the 1 jack per stop scenario as that would cut down on the caution laps and make pit road a little safer. These tracks seem to have a fixation with live pit stops to make it more exciting for the fans. Even though it is part of the race strategy, I personally want to watch the racing as that is what I paid my hard earned money for. I would prefer to see a more efficient 1 time stop rather than was it is currently done. By the time they are done aligning the field in preparation for the stop, waiting for pit road to open, the parade through the pits multiple times and cleaning up the incident that caused the caution they wasted green flag racing which in my opinion is why we are there.

  63. That the Stafford pit lane is very narrow makes this a tougher deal.

    I’m surprised that this is done at a track with such a narrow pit lane. The narrow pit lane should require reducing the number of pit stops, not increase pit stops. I am surprised, and relieved, that there have not been more incidents.

  64. Crazy in Ny says

    We essentially agree on this Earl. I too love live pit stops as I’ve always felt crews are racing as well…and they are but it has to make sense. A case for 1 tire per stop (which I don’t like) could be made at NH or any track that big with generous sized pit box but at Stafford it’s a disaster.
    The crewman is OK I’m told but very lucky. I’d still argue that 1 stop with one jack per yellow is
    the way to go as you correctly point out in these races where yellows count. And please…really?
    Sharing a pit box is just the most ridiculous thing. ( Well maybe not…… how about J Bon and Coby share one at Thompson?) Now that would add a twist don’t you think? lol….

  65. It really wouldn’t be a huge job to make pit road wider there. Not my money to spend though.

  66. Agree with you JD that pit lane is narrow. Pitted on a Late Model team there for allot of years you really have to be on your game, or you’ll get run over. Widening it would be the way to go.

  67. wmass01013 says

    And the GENIUS dareal WANTS A XFINITY or truck race at Stafford or Thompson

  68. I know I’m going to get savaged for this but I have to ask.
    If the porcupine is doing some work for Hirschman who are you going over the wall for at Stafford. AND as Dirty Harry said “a mans got to know his limitations”. Aren’t you a little long in the tooth to be going over any walls?
    Who got hurt and with what team. Can’t find anything in media about it?
    Widening pit road is never a bad thing but the only comment I could find on Facebook about the pit road deal is Jody and no one was interested in jumping on board. He or she wants to go back to 5 guys, one stop and that just bangs up against why they went to less people. Small team disadvantage.
    More likely to see the Double Hook expanded then then pit road.

  69. Doug,
    A crew member from Kyle Bonsignore’s team was hit during a pit stop and transported by ambulance to a local hospital. All I know is what the team shared on Facebook. Different world these days with HIPAA laws and such, hard to properly report on events like this and typically by the time you get the facts the patient has been treated and released.

  70. Crazy in NY says

    Apparently someone doesn’t own a mirror in his house. Can you say hypocrite ?
    Doug nowhere in this thread have I “attacked” you, made reference to you or made ANY comment
    that could be attributed to you but here we have reference to me as porcupine. Now I’m a big boy and don’t need to run off to my safe place but you are the first one here to complain about name calling and being criticized by some posters on here. Cry me a river you phony. I’m long in the tooth
    you say? Too old to crew a car eh? I just successfully jacked MH 60 to his fifth ROC250 victory in a row and seventh overall. You think he’d have me around if I couldn’t cut it? I crew with a number of people on and off when I have the time and some I’ve mentioned here in the past. I need to put my racing schedule on here or my resume’ to satisfy your whimsy? Think again twit.

    I do not know the the hurt crewman personally and the team he is on is not for me to say. Shawn correctly points out the nature of HIPPA laws today and who was hurt on what car on what lap or what the tire pressure of the tire he was pressed into is and is not the point. What I did convey
    CORRECTLY is a crewman was hurt during the race and the reports I received by a trusted source reported he is doing ok. OK?
    Maybe just maybe it’s none of your GDB. Porcupine and quills OUT!!

  71. Thanks!

  72. Kyle Bonsignor
    “”Rough day at Stafford , race started good but our car faded and we lost a lap . We had a plan to fix it and try to get our lap back but when we pitted to take our tires we had a very scary moment on pit road where our tire changer was struck by the car pitting in the stall in front of us . He was taken away by the ambulance but after I spoke to him on the phone he assured me that he is ok just very sore . Not only did he get bruised up bad but it broke our rf tie rod and it was the end of our day as well . I’m not one for long posts but I think this is a giant red flag that if we are racing at a track with a touring series , we need to have adequate pit road accommodations. These are friends and family going over the wall not professionals making big money . They are already taking a big enough risk , why do we need to add fuel to the fire with small pit boxes ????? We got lucky this time . Things happen . But I don’t ever want to see a next time .”
    Coby:
    ” I’ve been trying for 3 years to let them know it’s unacceptable to put our crew guys in that position. Glad your changer is ok.”

  73. Well that’s a surprise CNY. I thought we had an unwritten agreement. Porcupine was an endearment you played along with and I didn’t cry when you referred to me as Dug or Dougless.
    If it’s hurtful then by all means. No more porcupine. Now you be a good boy as well.
    Nor was the reference to long in the tooth meant to be hurtful nor offensive in general since most of we here that are frequent flyers are long in the tooth. I don’t consider it bad, just a fact and that being an over the wall crew member at any race is a younger mans game.
    Got it, you’re a multi tasker. Helping a few teams in NY including a gal. Hirschman and at Stafford as you implied. That said who was it you would not go over the wall any more for at Stafford?
    No disrespect intended. just curious.
    For the record I do have mirrors but I try to avoid them. They are not friendly as I get longer in the tooth.

  74. Crazy in NY says

    Now that two racers have spoken (and likely more) maybe Mother NASCAR and Mark Arute can rethink the 1 tire per deal, or the too many cars for that pit road or better speed enforcement on pit road. Too damn bad an organization that is all about safety needs to have it shoved in their face as to the obvious. Make it safer for us old and over the hill farts to go home to our rocking chairs and Geritol.

  75. It would be easy to widen pit road at Stafford. The pit wall is made of concrete barrier sections. Move them back , and then a little pavement work. Hope Stafford looks into it.

  76. Fast Eddie says

    Stupid thought: If the winner’s circle was relocated and the outer pit wall was moved to the inner edge of the go cart back straight, you would only have to add a lane of pavement to the right of the small track turn 2 and the left of turn 3. If memory service me right the wall is not permanently mounted, so you could move it for the WMT events and keep the original configuration during regular events. That way you would only have to move the wall a few times a year. One days’ large forklift rental would take care of moving the sections. Or add 1/2 lane behind the inner pit wall and move that wall back the same amount. That would at least widen the pit boxes.

  77. OK DNY, you made your point. You’re not old, you’re better.
    While you were living the glamorous life in racing last weekend I was using my prior racing skills as well. Under a sink replacing a defective faucet and drain for a tenant. I didn’t feel a bit self conscious rolling around the kitchen floor as my quite comely young lass of a tenant prepared her morning meal . No doubt wondering how the old fart on her floor that looked more like a homeless person came to own any property let alone the one she lived in. Nope didn’t bother me at all. And for all those of you out there with old properties and funky drain stub outs two words Snappy Trap.
    Whether it is cautions coming out for young drivers at NHMS, Coby making too many pits stops, losing a race and swearing or this crew member getting hurt the reaction in this forum is always an explosion of emotion, charges and demands for major changes.
    Somewhere else cooler heads prevail. What were the specific circumstances of the crew members injury , what was the cause and what changes could prevent it from happening again. Across all of the NWMT races what is the frequency of pit road injuries. At Stafford with all their experience, how many injuries have there been across all their races in pitting. They may even have risk assessments up the wazoo laying it all out for insurance companies who you know want any dangerous situation brought under control.
    Mid race pit stops are always dangerous.
    Look at Stafford. Can anyone say the cheap out on improvements that make the track better and safer from the stands to the pits to the track?

  78. Crazy now I know why I like you, you are somewhat like me, you say what is on your mind. Like I tell people, if you don’t like what I have to say then, get over it, get used to it or learn how to live with it one of the 3. And yes it would be a real hoot to have JB and DC share a pit box at the world series. Talk about a slug fest both on and off the track!

    Congrats on the ROC 250 and are you going to Seekonk in October?

  79. Crazy, Stafford/Arute runs a show that happens to feature racing. If Stafford were to focus on running a racing facility, it could be pretty good. It is stunning that the track with the narrow and tight pit lane invokes a rule that dramatically MULTIPLIES the number of pit stops on the narrow pit lane. It’s all for the drama and excitement, not in the best interests of the racing product and those that produce that product.

  80. ‘It’s all for the drama and excitement, not in the best interests of the racing product and those that produce that product.’
    The idea that Stafford would knowingly put people in harms way and put themselves in financial risk as well to create drama has to be the stupidest, most ignorant comment of the year.

  81. “Stafford/Arute runs a show that happens to feature racing. If Stafford were to focus on running a racing facility, it could be pretty good.”
    Second stupidest, most ignorant comment of the year.

  82. Crazy in NY says

    Earl, fyi yes I will be at Seekonk. We still have an outside shot at the TTOM title. The main benny to
    missing Monadnock was prep for the 250 which obviously paid off. For those that give a darn ( at least 1 guy I can think of) I’ll be crewing an SK on Sat, a Mod on Sunday, a Mod next Sat, then Seekonk
    then…NSS NOT with MH60 and then……NO T Derby. To hell with that place. Then sleep a bunch during the off season. Also fyi…..I’m in great shape for my age…largely by luck but also some lifestyle adjustment I made about 20 years ago. AND….I love the sport to a point of almost addiction. Largely why I get infuriated when I read some of the pure ignorant jive that flows from some of the keyboard “specialist” on this site. To tune in here daily you’d have to be crazy to which I fully qualify. Glad your out there my friend. I need you to throw me a life line occasionally LOL

  83. The pit wall that the teams stand behind is made of construction barrier. It would be easy to move them, then pave or concrete the pitvoxes

  84. “Too damn bad an organization that is all about safety needs to have it shoved in their face as to the obvious.”
    It’s been 5 days since the incident for Pete’s sake. All you’ve done is join the mob mentality without the hint of a fact just assuming that the incident and conditions that may have or may not have caused it are being ignored. How are you not a whiny, typical captain keyboard CNY jumping to conclusions like the rest of us?
    I get frustrated as well CNY. By self important jive ass enigma’s incessantly referring to helping teams virtually all over the Northeast in several divisions yet saying so little about what he actually does. Who’s only purpose appears to be to create an air of superiority with vague associations while sharing as little as possible information that might inform and enlighten the forum. All the time contributing pedestrian provocations, judgements of others, taunts, insults and being a general pain is ass for the most part just like the most worthless of we jive ass no nothings.
    All I claim to be is a guy in the bleachers interested in racing and a captain keyboard in a place specifically designed for people to be a captain keyboard. It’s hard helping one team let alone several for a person of any age but I trust you are all to racing that you represent yourself to be. My only question is, where’s the beef?

  85. Crazy in New York, don’t let Doug and all his personalities get to you. You aren’t wrong all the time, or even as much as Doug tries to make it appear.

  86. Finding common cause DGF with your fellow expert. Why not,you two are clearly the gold standard in expertise. You being en engineer, an advanced mathematics education, working with several teams as you claimed in the past. And you both are not bashful to put your inferiors in their place.Me being your favorite inferior. Of course you have your location locked down as tight as Trump has his personal conversations in that secret server. And your actual experience is more of the vague, self proclamations and convoluted theories indicating pretty much nothing as far as I can see. Then again what do I know. Other then your two statements I highlighted above are completely idiotic. Let’s just highlight them again and let them sink in. This about the management of Stafford Speedway.
    “It’s all for the drama and excitement, not in the best interests of the racing product and those that produce that product.”
    “Stafford/Arute runs a show that happens to feature racing. If Stafford were to focus on running a racing facility, it could be pretty good.”
    Is that being intolerant of opinion or not letting a completely ridiculous insult to the management of Stafford go unchallenged?
    Even a dumb fan claiming only an interest in racing and modest plumbing skills knows not to say things like that.

  87. So how were you doing plumbing work for one of your tenants last weekend while attending the fall final at the same time? Don’t blow a gasket here, just asking.

  88. Crazy in NY says

    Looks like I set the hook pretty deep Doug. How honored I am to have the prose that knows dedicate so many sentences to little old me. Thank you for this > …..self important jive ass enigma’s incessantly referring to helping teams virtually all over the Northeast in several divisions yet saying so little about what he actually does. Who’s only purpose appears to be to create an air of superiority with vague associations while sharing as little as possible information that might inform and enlighten the forum……..

    I use the word jive and you feed it back to me …you owe me a nickle.
    The people that post here (some) that approach me at the races for some actual human interaction and conversation might not agree with your assertions,. ( I clearly have you back on your heels but that was not my intention). I am concerned about pit road safety and I too hope the authorities in charge are contemplating needed changes. What do I do on these race cars I work on? I spot for one team, jack on pit road for 2 others, do general pit work, gas , help with tire selection and sizing. Since I am a mechanic I dive in when needed when the wrenches fly ( like in tech) I also push pit carts and help load the car and chase parts ( anything else you need?) You want my SSN as well? or what tire pressure I run in my pick up? How about my E-Z pass account number? Yes, I’m busting your stones…put a band-aid on them. ( this is fun) …….. so ….have we drifted far enough off the original topic? Yup…. but it is great to see a first time winner on the Tour ..congrats to the Lutz gang. Nighty nite..Evergreen beckons in the AM.

  89. Why would I blow a gasket Earl. Your comment is just another one of your snippy little judgemental nothings like these you’re constantly throwing my way. A few samples:

    -Race/participate? So in your expert opinion Doug, which one does Melissa do?
    -So Amy caused a problem while mixing it up, at least she was racing hard for position. When you race, you will make mistakes fighting for spots not just be “fine” what ever that means.
    -You dodged my question. I nicknamed you he spin doctor well now I will add another, Doug the dodger. If Amy is a good dodge ball she may do well? Then what does Melissa have to do to do well in your humble opinion?
    -So I still want to know what is “fine”? If I wanted to read a book I would have gone to Barnes and Noble lol…
    -Doug, were you there or just arm chair quarterbacking? Just curious?
    -So Doug, were you at the race or is the FanschoiceTV from home opinion. Just wondering
    -What does Dowling in the 82 have to do with Lutz? The article is about Craig Lutz. Unbelievable!
    -Glad to see everyone is staying on track about what Ryan is doing for the SK’s at Stafford this weekend, well at least most are!
    -Doug, why do you find the need to over complicate and analyze everything to death? Very simply put, JB needs to win and Coby needs to have misfortune that takes him out of the points race. Thanks Shawn for the readers digest version

    In this thread Shawn ball parked Coby’s worst position while still winning the championship saying he didn’t run the numbers. For fun I spent a half hour running some numbers and offered a couple scenario’s. How could that be bad? But it was to Earl. Too detailed Earl say’s, unwanted, unnecessary. Too much information.
    At this stage Earl I’m fairly convinced you think this is DougDayCT since you spend more time analyzing my latest nothing then actual racing. That in a way is kind of flattering I mean so much to you.
    In Clint Eastwood’s movie Mule he named his lead character Earl. In a scene in a diner Earl is trying to connect with Bradley Cooper’s character assuming things he had no right to of a perfect stranger. To which Bradley Cooper said something to the effect that Earl, because of his age, had lost his filter.
    I was trying to be funny with the plumbing anecdote but maybe I have lost my filter. Maybe you have as well Earl, an anonymous nobody constantly judging another anonymous nobody and in the process elevating yourself to a place you haven’t even remotely earned.
    .Just use your real name, say exactly what you have accomplished in racing, how you are participating now and on which team and where and I’ll be the first to cheer and thank you for what you do. Until then you’re just an anonymous, albeit troublesome nobody like me.

  90. Just so we’re clear CNY I think you have always been one of the best reasons to read the comments. And I will confess to getting lit up when someone uses the term keyboard anything when they are in a place where keyboards are necessary to be heard.
    All I’ve done with you is be interested in what you do. Here are some of the things you’ve said over the months.
    2/16
    I’m one of a dozen or so guys who help MH during the long year. He has help from at least 5 different states and guys go or not depending on when, where and what is going on in our lives
    6/28
    I compete on both tours so I might be in a position to make an informed OPINION on the two.
    6/29
    Please inform yourself on facts. I didn’t say who I competed with (Hirschman) you extrapolated that based on your pre-conceived notions. NEWS FLASH !! you’re wrong on your assumptions..again
    6/26
    . I’ll have to settle for working, wrenching and crewing on 3 Mods and one Sportsman
    7/9
    . I’ve been helping a female Sportsman here in NY for 4 years now.
    “For those that give a darn ( at least 1 guy I can think of) I’ll be crewing an SK on Sat, a Mod on Sunday, a Mod next Sat, then Seekonk
    then…NSS NOT with MH60 and then……NO T Derby.”

    I am interested and frustrated as well. That entry of yours on 6/29 was after I thanked you for the information you provided helping Hirshman.You not only dressed me down for that but got mad at me when I provided your quote from the previous February claiming you did help him.
    All I try to do is make some sense of it all. It’s confusing at times. Like my grandmother used to say you’re like manure……all over the place. And before you get all mad about that manure is fertilizer, sustains life and is a very good thing.
    If you’re one of the named people here from Mr. Courchesne obviously to even Justin Bonsignor who corrected DGF on his claim of Coby’s carb being a cheater you get instant respect. If you’re Doug, DGF, Earl or that Crazy guy in NY you’re anonymous and the bar is higher
    Thank you for providing the particulars on how you support teams. For the record unlike DGF’s constant stream of crap I believer every single word of it. I also understand you don’t want to specifically name cars since you want to remain anonymous and I respect that.
    Cheers!

  91. Crazy, stop answering and explaining to Doug. Your best reply to Sybil was to peel a few off and go into the pits. Let him pay for what he wants, stop giving it to him.

  92. I saved something for you as well DGF or should I say
    AKA DaFella, AKA Daidiot, AKA Dajerk, AKA Da Stupid, AKA longwindedfella, AKA darealidiot,AKA peterperfect,AKA Darealmoron, AKA Duh Real, AKA DareFakeFella, AKA DaDope, AKA Da Dumb Dumb, AKA, darealtripboy, AKA darealboogermaker, AKA boydareal, AKA darealisnotsafefromhisownstupidmistakes.
    Those are all your fans mostly in the last year alone. Don’t even include the ones I gave you since I’ve reformed.
    You are a trial but I’ve found a way to cope. It’s my DGF Handy Pocket Organizer. All your basic themes going back literally years in some cases. What-a-ya-thing DGF? Did I nail it of what?

    A) Troyer was the one true chassis builder of quality equipment and Rob Fuller is a no talent bum that wrecked cars as a driver and LFR is over rated..
    B) Political comments centering on Trump can appear at any time. The constant is that everything associated with Trump is bad and if you support him you are not smart enough to understand how bad he is.
    C) Everything and everyone connected to the Speedbowl is bad, the track is dead, the season will never start, the stands will never be demolished, the stands will never be built and he predicted it all for the last two years.
    D) Theories on everything from coasting in the corners to the importance of talent, tire management, cookie cutter chassis’s, crate like spec engines and chassis geometry. DGF get’s it you probably will not.
    E) Coby won with a cheater carb that became a flux capacitor or proxy for cheater carb. No one likes Coby, he’s won because he’s on a talented team and he‘s been lucky not having to overcome any adversity this season especially.
    F) Hirschman can only win at bull rings, Hirschman is not talented enough to race a full NWMT schedule, Hirschman in not in the same class as the NWMT front runners, etc, etc, etc.
    G) Doug, AKA Sybil, Insipid Sybil, RickyinMass. WeldingWonders has zero credulity, doesn’t go to the right races or enough of them, isn’t in the right place for the ones he goes to and doesn’t know what he’s seeing when he’s there.
    H) It’s always a zero sum game, there must be a loser for him to win. No debate, no gray area, no compromise. What DGF knows is the way it is and if you don’t get it you’re not bright enough to understand.

    In this thread I have you down for a lot of (G) that is expected. Also some (A), (D) and (H).
    Pretty cool huh. Let’s see how it works in the coming months.

  93. “Crazy, stop answering and explaining to Doug. Your best reply to Sybil was to peel a few off and go into the pits. Let him pay for what he wants, stop giving it to him.”

    Do you think for one moment DGF that Crazy in NY thinks you’re standing next to him as he is helping check the tow out or stagger on a car? Especially if it’s Hirschman. What I’d like to read is CNY write anything that shows he shares with you any notion of being a fellow traveler in the cause of contributing to the show. That he’s convinced you are a kindred spirit in the pits. Go ahead Crazy, tell me you believe DGF knows what he’s talking about. That he can just say he’s all of everything, prove nothing and that’s good enough. Or are you DGF just doing what you always do. Be the universal fan. Indispensable to local racing, appearing at every track, knowing all there is to know.
    Speaking in convoluted, obfuscating nonsense and too afraid to say one thing to show you know anything other then you are a racing fan just like me. And too afraid to say where you’re from so you can make taunts about anyone that discloses their home base.
    Earl may think you’re the best thing since toilet paper. I think you’re a joke and a coward.

  94. Here’s an idea. How about we start the for DGF big mouth challenge.
    It goes something like this. You tell the thread DGF what toe out and toe in modifieds use. You’ve got all the experience you should know. All I know is that in the Streets way back we used a quarter inch for Stafford and half an inch for Riverside. Measured it with a tape measure over oil cans that no young person now even knows existed. Wicked over steer all the time so toe out was the rule.I know nothing of modifieds.
    As a rule of thumb what is the toe out for a modified on a short track as opposed to a half mile or more. Are changes made to the toe in or toe out based on over steer or under steer conditions? Do SK’s or Lights use different parameters? Toe is simple, very basic. What do you know DGF.
    Say anything you like, I’d believe it and Earl I’ll bet will eat it up.
    We’ll let Crazy in NY be the judge. If he is not interested we’ll bank it and see if you know what you claim to know at a later date.

  95. Doug, are you triggered?

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  96. Crazy in NY says

    WOW!!! BOOM!! Breathtaking almost. I didn’t count them but Doug your last 5 posts blitzkrieg has to contain 10 to 12 thousand words. Complete with an historical account of who said what when to whom and the reaction to same. Are you female? Rainman maybe ? who the heel has time for all of that ? Racing blogs and forums aren’t supposed to read like War and Peace …or so I thought. If there is some kind of a competition between posters, I’m not in. DRG you can direct me all you want it will have no bearing on what I post or to whom it is directed. Doug my friend…you have issues that’s all I can say.. Hope it all works out for you.

    Now for some racing news> Matt won the Evergreen Mod main last night in the Gallaer 41 .Today’s KotG is postponed until 10/20 on the weather forecast . Info that could be ascertained by looking in the right places on the Net. I’m thinking maybe we could get back to chassis chat. LFR,Fury, TRC TFR and a partridge in a pear tree..falala..lalala……

  97. Clearly yes DGF and you suggesting it is yet another example of your stupidity.
    Now that I’ve vented I’m good. Never thought you would take the DGF Big Mouth Challenge

  98. Hey Doug, you mad, bro?

    🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

  99. Awwwwww, pawww widdle Dougie-Wougie had a hissy fit. Doesn’t take much at all to trigger Insipid Sybil and all those personality disorders. Hey, do you have an awesome looking orange skin tone and hair?

    🤡 🤡 🤡

    So Sybil, you gonna peel off a few and go into the pits at Thompson?

    Weather looks good so far. 🤞

  100. Crazy, sounds like Matt put another one in the win column, great job and congrats!

    Can’t wait until Seekonk should be a great show and a down right battle to the bitter end.

  101. Crazy in NY says

    Earl.. it was a light field and Matt has this place down pretty well. 2 weeks and we try for the KotG.
    MVS next up 150 lap go for the Mods. 2 tires so I’ll be busy on the jack. Tough place to be sure but the racing is always good there. Seekonk…really looking forward to that. If you are going we can try an meet …talk some. Till then I’m going to keep my head down around here LOL.

  102. ” If there is some kind of a competition between posters, I’m not in. ”
    Good CNY. I nearly fell out of my Barcalounger when I read that. You are the guy the moderator at one time sighted as being one of guys that provokes more then most. Your exchanges with DGF, myself and others over the years going back and forth. Are you thinking when you engage in it it’s farting sunshine.
    Or is it what I said before. You’re in the trenches fighting like everyone else being informative, petty, argumentative and all the rest but you still view yourself above it all. You aren’t.
    You made the thing about your connection to Hirschman a competition not me. If you don’t want to be sighted for some of the contradictory claims you’ve made here’s an idea. Simply tell truth in the first place and don’t get all mad when someone remembers what you said.

  103. “Hey Doug, you mad, bro?
    Awwwwww, pawww widdle Dougie-Wougie had a hissy fit. Doesn’t take much at all to trigger Insipid Sybil and all those personality disorders. Hey, do you have an awesome looking orange skin tone and hair
    So Sybil, you gonna peel off a few and go into the pits at Thompson?”

    Interesting you would use that word triggered DGF. It’s you’re goal isn’t it. Going back literally years starting with peeing in corn flakes. Yes you could say I’m triggered and yes you won because that after all is your goal. Not racing because you say so many stupid things but conflict. You love conflict.Stirring the pot.
    I’d prefer to stick to racing. Pull out stats, make the observation I’m interested in. The back and forth with Earl of CNY is usually brief and not always unpleasant and at time informative. You DGF on the other hand are a cancerous, malignant growth from my perspective I shall have to deal with until my life in these pages is over. You’ll never change. You have my complete attention now and I’ll be dissecting everything you write looking for your latest grenade of idiocy. As well as remind you and all that rest of the audience of the labels others have pinned on you as long as you engage in that.
    I am triggered. You won and now we’ll do it your way.

  104. Every now and then a thread needs to get sacrificed to clear the air. This is one.
    DGF says
    There’s more to the story. Impeachment is just starting. It will get even more interesting.
    DGF says
    Sybil
    CNY says
    Dareel where exactly are the “pipes” on a Fuller chassis?
    (this ought to be good)
    DGF says
    Once again proving he (CNY) is without a chance of a clue.
    Crazy, let me make this clear for you, since everything has to be explained to you.
    CNY says
    Next up for Dareel do you know the diff between ID and OD and of course the whole world knows tc stands …tube chassis. ( I”ll be ole Teddy did too) LOL …..
    DGF say
    One of Sybil’s personalities has again judged who was correct.
    Crazy carefully wrote, “Well….I knew that bate would school the fish.”
    I’ll leave that there.
    One of Sybil’s personalities wrote, “OK that’s error one as I transposed the two drivers.”
    Need to insert “trillion” between “one” and “as”.

    While all this crap is going on between DGF and CNY I’m ignoring DGF and talking racing.
    -They got the car for the Fall Final last year and it came in second in that race,
    -Great comment unbiased as usual.
    -I don’t know. Kinda enjoyed the pipe vs tubing banter.
    -I took a shot at the points.

    Enough. The problem is DGF. He’s constantly the instigator and is never satisfied until he drags the thread into the mess we have now.
    Read the thread. I didn’t do anything but mind my own business and talk about racing and while dong so the malignant cancer that is DGF would just not allow it. You want to stop this, start with DGF.

  105. WOW!!! Doug, or whoever he is today, at this hour, seems to be just getting spooled up… stay tuned.

    Doug, Sybil, WeldingWonders, whoever… some of your problems would go away if you went to the track, paid to enter the track, walked through the pits, and in doing so answered your own questions. You might even learn something. But you can’t participate on a forum like this when you don’t go to the track, and then judge the comments of others that regularly go to the tracks, and then have a hissy fit when you repeatedly set yourself up to be corrected, or at least questioned. And you can not tolerate being corrected or questioned. After all, you play the role of judge and deem the validity of others. 🤡🤣😂🤡😂 So in order to fix that, you need to educate yourself by actually going to the track, peeling off a few and going into the pits so you can finally see what you so dearly want to talk about.

    And to think that Doug promised to leave, numerous times. Only to come back, over and over.

  106. Crazy in NY says

    I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it. If the race is/was boring the comments section here won’t be. (likely). I’m a less than innocent bystander but Doug please …don’t refer to me as CNY,,I prefer porcupine. Carry on tools.

  107. Every now and then a thread needs to get sacrificed to clear the air. This is one.
    DGF says
    There’s more to the story. Impeachment is just starting. It will get even more interesting.
    DGF says
    Sybil
    CNY says
    Dareel where exactly are the “pipes” on a Fuller chassis?
    (this ought to be good)
    DGF says
    Once again proving he (CNY) is without a chance of a clue.
    Crazy, let me make this clear for you, since everything has to be explained to you.
    CNY says
    Next up for Dareel do you know the diff between ID and OD and of course the whole world knows tc stands …tube chassis. ( I”ll be ole Teddy did too) LOL …..
    DGF say
    One of Sybil’s personalities has again judged who was correct.
    Crazy carefully wrote, “Well….I knew that bate would school the fish.”
    I’ll leave that there.
    One of Sybil’s personalities wrote, “OK that’s error one as I transposed the two drivers.”
    Need to insert “trillion” between “one” and “as”.

    While all this crap is going on between DGF and CNY I’m ignoring DGF and talking racing.
    -They got the car for the Fall Final last year and it came in second in that race,
    -Great comment unbiased as usual.
    -I don’t know. Kinda enjoyed the pipe vs tubing banter.
    -I took a shot at the points.

    Enough. The problem is DGF. He’s constantly the instigator and is never satisfied until he drags the thread into the mess we have now.
    Read the thread. I didn’t do anything but mind my own business and talk about racing and while dong so the malignant cancer that is DGF would just not allow it. You want to stop this, start with DGF.

  108. WOW!!! Doug, or whoever he is today, at this hour, seems to be just getting spooled up… stay tuned.
    THAT WAS YOUR GOAL. YOU GOT IT AND NOW YOU’RE COMPLAINING YOU ACCOMPLISHED YOUR GOAL.
    Doug, Sybil, WeldingWonders, whoever… some of your problems would go away if you went to the track, paid to enter the track, walked through the pits, and in doing so answered your own questions. You might even learn something.
    YOU CAN’T SAY ANYTHING WITHOUT NAME CALLING. AS FOR RACING ATTENDENCE IT’S NOT YOUR PLACE TO JUDGE. YOU ARE NEVER ASKED TO PROVE YOU WERE AT A RACE, PEOPLE RESPOND TO WHAT YOU SAY. THAT’S THE POINT. YOU’RE GOAL HOWEVER IS NOT RACE CONTENT. YOUR GOAL IS PROVOCATION.
    But you can’t participate on a forum like this when you don’t go to the track,
    I ABSOLUTELY CAN CONTRIBUTE ON ANY EVENT ANY TIME I WANT INCLUDING THOSE THAT I DO NOT GO TO AS YOU DO ALL THE TIME. AS OTHERS DO ALL THE TIME AND NO ONE CARES EXCEPT THIS TEST YOU KEEP DIRECTING AT ME. IT’S ABOUT THE CONTENT YOU ARE PRESENTING NOT ABOUT ATTENDANCE. YOU USE THE KNOWLEDGE OF MY INTERESTS AND LOCATION TO SIMPLY PROVOKE ME WHILE DISCLOSING NOTHING OF YOURSELF. IT’S PURE COWARDICE ON YOUR PART.
    and then judge the comments of others that regularly go to the tracks
    GO BACK, COPY AND PASTE WHEN I JUDGE OTHERS INSTEAD OF MAKING A VAGUE ACCUSATION THAT IS MOSTLY UNTRUE. HOW DO I KNOW THE RACES THEY GO TO. I NEITHER KNOW OR CARE.
    , and then have a hissy fit when you repeatedly set yourself up to be corrected, or at least questioned.
    THE HISSY FIT I AM THROWING NOW YOU CAUSED AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RACING. YOU CAUSED IT BY NAME CALLING AND TAUNTING. OTHERWISE I BELIEVE I HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT RESPECTFUL TO EVERYONE INTERESTED IN A RACING RELATED DEBATE THAT DOES NOT START OUT WITH CONFRONTATION AND PROVOCATION LIKE YOU DO.
    And you can not tolerate being corrected or questioned.
    I’M CORRECTED ALL THE TIME INCLUDING ABOVE BY MR COURCHESNE. COPY AND PASTE WHERE I’VE DONE WHAT YOU SAY I DO. THIS BEHAVIOR IS YOU. IT’S NOT ME. JUST FOR ONCE STOP WITH THE VAGUE ACCUSATIONS AND PROVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. SHOW WHERE I STARTED SOME PETTY CONFRONTATION LIKE YOU.
    After all, you play the role of judge and deem the validity of others.
    COPY AND PASTE. WHEN HAVE I DONE THIS TO ANYONE EXPRESSING AN IDEA THAT HAS NOT STARTED SOME UNNECESSARY CONFRONTATION LIKE YOU DO ALL THE TIME. WHEN HAVE I PROVOKED A PETTY, INSULT DRIVEN PERSONAL ATTACK LIKE YOU OVER THE LAST SEASON? FOR THE MOST PART I’VE BEEN RESPECTFUL OF OPINION, DISAGREED WITHOUT PETTINESS AND PERSONAL ATTACKS AND FOR THE MOST PART BEEN PLAYING DEFENSE.
    So in order to fix that, you need to educate yourself by actually going to the track, peeling off a few and going into the pits so you can finally see what you so dearly want to talk about.
    YOU AND YOU ALONE ARE THE ONLY ONE ASKING FOR TICKET STUBS ON A REGULAR BASIS. NO ONE IS ASKING IT OF YOU NOR DOES ANYONE SEEM TO CARE. THEY DO CARE ABOUT THE OUTRAGEOUS THINGS YOU SAY. THIS IS JUST ONE OF YOUR JUDGEMENTAL BITS THAT IS MEANT TO ELEVATE YOU AND DISTRACT FROM THE CONTENT IN THE THREAD. iT’S MAKING IT PERSONAL. THAT’S WHAT YOU DO.
    And to think that Doug promised to leave, numerous times. Only to come back, over and over.
    ONE TIME I CAN RECALL AS HAVE OTHERS AND RETURNED. I WAS WRONG FOR USING NUMEROUS ID’S. MR. COURCHESNE CALLED ME ON IT AND FROM THAT POINT I COMPLETELY CHANGED MY APPROACH TO AVOID THIS VERY THING. THE PETTY BACK AND FORTHS, NAME CALLING AND PERSONAL JUDGEMENTS AND ATTACKS. YOU HOWEVER DID NOT CHANGE.

    You have my attention now DGF. This thread is the perfect example of how you start the provocations for no other reason then to start a fight. Then you enjoy fighting about the fight you started. You are the problem, not me in that regard. People can complain that my posts are too long or that I may come across as a pompous ass or the stats and opinions I have and that’s fair game. But I don’t initiate any interchange with name calling and petty nonsense like you. You’re the problem. You are the malignant tumor wrecking havoc on threads for your own entertainment. You are the person constantly judging and demeaning others in the thread and people that are involved in racing and casting aspersions like the Arute’s in this thread. And I know you will never change.
    Enough already. Any thread you start that crap I’ll do my best to give you as good as I get. You act civil and it will be all about racing. Your choice.

  109. Crazy, sounds like a plan and always like to chew the fat with fellow crew guys from the racing fraternity. Your correct about keeping a low profile and avoiding the scud missals! I am sure we will talk more over the coming weeks as there is going to be plenty of action that will create press and a lively comment section. Stay safe my friend………….

  110. There truly is no greater waste of time then bickering back and forth in comment forums. And we all know what the demographic is. From Media Matters to Fox News, Newsmax, Yahoo and RaceDayCt it’s old guys. Women are being productive and doing things so they aren’t here. It’s old guys filling time trying to show they are still relevant. Whatever they believe from being a true American, Republican, Democrat, Christian or race fan they want to prove they are the only true one;s. It’s pretty universal. If you’re actually being productive you aren’t here with no real identity taking credit for things you can’t prove. It’s mostly empty posturing by anonymous old guys who’s best days are in the rear view mirror. That’s our fraternity. The fraternity of anonymous old guys killing time here bickering and in the worst case avoiding race topics.
    There’s another fraternity of contributors that say informative things about races they see and racing in general. Age, sex, experience or any other demographics makes no difference. The screen ID makes no difference because their words have the power not empty claims. They are relevant not for what they claim but for the value of what they say. Was it interesting, funny, informative. If so you can be in that fraternity. I want to be in that fraternity. I wish we all would want to be in that fraternity.
    Unfortunately many of us are too willing to demonstrate we are in the first fraternity while the one’s with real value and the most to say that’s relevant in the second fraternity are too smart to engage in such antics.

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