Andrew Molleur celebrates his first SK Light Modified victory July 2 at the New London-Waterford Speedbowl
NASCAR officials confirmed Monday that they have suspended New London-Waterford Speedbowl SK Light Modified driver Andrew Molleur indefinitely for providing false age information on a NASCAR license application.
Molleur had been temporarily suspended by NASCAR while they investigated issues with his age that came to light after he won his first SK Light Modified feature at the Speedbowl on July 2.
Mike Molleur, Andrew Molleur’s father, insists that his son was born on March 15, 2001 and is 15 years old. The minimum age for the NASCAR “Learner’s Permit” license that Molleur had been granted is 14 years old. Mike Molleur insists that he has provided NASCAR with a certified birth certificate.
NASCAR’s statement concerning the issue reads: “The driver, Andrew Molleur, has been indefinitely suspended from NASCAR for the following infractions: Section 3-11.1A.1.: To be eligible for a NASCAR Learner’s Permit as a race vehicle driver, a NASCAR Member, at a minimum, must be at least 14 years of age; Section 12-1: Actions detrimental to stock car racing; and Section 12-4H2.: Provided false information on the NASCAR license application.”
Said New London-Waterford Speedbowl general manager Shawn Monahan: “It definitely is a load off of our shoulders as a racetrack that NASCAR has decided to make their decision. From the very beginning I was and we were on board with whatever NASCAR chose to do.”
Andrew Molleur had been granted a license last season and has made starts in the SK Light Modified division at the Speedbowl, Stafford Motor Speedway and Thompson Speedway since last season.
After his victory at the Speedbowl it came to light through reports from the Norwich Bulletin that multiple articles over the past six years published through multiple media outlets indicate that Andrew Molleur is allegedly currently 13 years old.
“I sent [NASCAR] back an email requesting what they’re basing their decision [to indefinitely suspend Andrew Molleur] on,” Mike Molleur said. “Basically they sent me something saying their investigation is saying the information I’ve sent is not accurate. I’m like, there’s nothing else possibly that you could have or get or do or an anything. I’ve given you everything that you’ve asked for. I have no clue. My guess is that they’re basing it from the internet or people saying things.”
Mike Molleur said that going forward he’s not sure how to deal with the suspension issue with NASCAR.
“What do [they] say [his] birthday is?” Mike Molleur said. “I have no idea what information they have. I have no idea. They haven’t given me anything other than saying they don’t believe what I’ve sent, which I don’t think is fair.
“Do you consider us 12? In two years are we good to go? Do you consider us 13? What age do you consider us? I don’t know what else to do. When you give somebody something and say ‘This is what we were are.’ And they say ‘No, you’re something different.’ they haven’t told me what [age they think he is]. They’ve just told me [he’s] not what [we say he is.]. I’m guilty until proven innocent in dealing with them.”
In the event on July 2 at the Speedbowl, Andrew Molleur was running third behind leader Randy Churchill and second place Corey Barry on the final lap. In the final corner Churchill spun and Barry slowed to avoid Churchill, allowing Molleur to go under both of them for the victory.
“I joked with Randy Churchill and said ‘Man if you could have only kept that thing going forward and we finished third this probably wouldn’t be an issue.’” Mike Molleur said. “Maybe it would have, I don’t know. Andrew has said to me, although the win was great and it was really cool and it was whatever that he’d trade it in a heartbeat to be back racing again. And I would too. Obviously hindsight is always 20/20.”
Monahan said it’s unclear at this point if Molleur will be stripped of the victory.
“We as a core group of officials have not had a meeting on that topic,” Monahan said. “It’s definitely a good conversation, of not only the win but any points he’s accumulated for the season.”
Mike Molleur said going forward he’s unsure what the family will do racing-wise. He said the family will likely focus on continuing to run his son in a Legends car. He has competed in the Legends car since the issues arose after the victory. He has not competed in the SK Light since the victory, even before he had been temporarily suspended by NASCAR.
Mike Molleur said the family had looked into having Andrew Molleur compete with the Valenti Modified Racing Series, but he said he was told by series officials that his son was not experienced enough to compete with the division.
“We have some tests coming up down South that I really wasn’t, we were just deciding on whether or not we were going,” Mike Molleur said. “I don’t know. We will obviously continue with the Legend car. We have plenty of Legend car racing coming up. It’s not like we’re going to be sitting in the stands.
“It’s a really bad deal all around. We had a lot of things planned in what we were doing and how we were doing it. We have a bunch of options and we’ve just got to kind of weigh them out. The season is probably only about halfway over, we just have to weigh them out and decide what’s best for our program and where we’re going to go from this.”
Um, I’d be going baserk if that was my kid and he was of legal Nascar age. Gotta be a way to prove it one way or another im sure?
I would hope that the tracks would do what is right and strip him of any points he has this year, including that win that started this all. If NASCAR found that he was not of age, then that would make him ineligible to have those points. There shouldn’t even be a discussion to be had with the officials at the Speedbowl. Ineligible is ineligible.
If he is of legal age then go through the appeals process with Nascar and bring your paperwork. Good luck in whatever he does.
What a shame, I feel bad for the boy he’s very talented. But he probably learned a very very valuable lesson in life… Tell the truth and be honest. Even if Dady says it’s OK to lie and decieve people just tell the truth…
FYI Daddy Molleur, this didn’t start because you won, it started when you hit the 28 coming off the track from practice and almost killed a track worker at Stafford!! Now go pay the 28 for the clip and apologize to your family.
Given his name is Andrew and not Barak we can assume he was born in the USA. A certified birth certificate is legal document. If the kid is really 14 ,NASCAR is all wet and his father, I would think,
might have a legal recourse. If not then, go home and grow some more but pay your penalty.
Well it bit you in the butt. I’m sure NASCAR has done there home work and probably have obtained a real birth certificate. Kid has some talent and see what the big guns at NASCAR decide . At least you have the Inex legend series.
If a legit birth certificate has been provided to NASCAR, this shouldn’t even be an issue…
Maybe they don’t think the certificate is real? A government-issued legal document is a pretty cut and dried thing.
Crazy in NY, the issue was the parents were saying he was 15 yet all media online had him at no older than 13. If he was 14 or 15, it wouldn’t be an issue and NASCAR wouldn’t have imposed a penalty. It appears that they have verified through their own that he is not the age the parents claim he is and have penalized him.
Congrats to His dad…Hope this Kid grows into the Great Liar you have coached him to be.
So if he’s not of legal age for NASCAR, how has he been of legal age for INEX. The birth certificate I saw last year listed the date of birth as 3/15/01. Something is messed up somewhere. Very confusing.
Its not so confusing at all. He is talented and his team got him in under age. The rest is saving face.
Not sure about other parents but if if my kid was being wronged, I’d be putting up more of a stink than I see here. The dad has enough money for a SK lite, a couple of legends, and funding a VRMS car. I would think he could forgo the race season and funnel his funds towards clearing his and his kids name.
There is a missing piece and we can only guess who carved it out.
How is this
I think there is a thing called birth certificate???
I just checked mine and it says I’m 21
Ha ha ha
Good start of life to lie to everyone
Should be banned forever
Not the kid but that guy who lies like a rug
Liar Liar pants on fire
Hey xfinity to run at waterford this year
And oh ya rocco is not the best too
Oh ya and waterford just sold for 56 million pescos
Is there a mother in this child’s life. If so shame, shame, shame on her! This is your baby and you shouldn’t have let this happen. It certainly seems that the father has no morals, you should have stepped up and said NO!!! As far as a birth certificate, if they forged a legal document; isn’t that a question for law enforcement.
If anyone is familiar with this family they know that the rules do not apply to them…at least in their eyes.
Product of a bunch of sore losers. A shame to see nascar do this to someone.
The way I read this, a 13(or 14) yr old whipped everyone’s tails. Kid has talent regardless of age. No two ways about it. I’m not sure what NASCAR accepts for proof but a simple trip to town hall for a certified birth certificate would clear this up. Have NASCAR go with if need be.
Bugs Stevens lied about his name so the Air Force wouldn’t catch him racing. Should we strip away all his wins. Please! This will be a funny bar story in 10 yrs, no matter the outcome this season.
You kids can google Bug Stevens on your own time.
No point in wasting the money to clear his name he’s guilty and he knows it. Inex license or not is like to see the tracks suspend them from all track activity for the rest of the year. The kids 13 his father even said he was entering 8th grade. They had total disregard for the rules and safety of his fellow competitors/track officials.
2+2 does not equal 4 here. Something is definitely missing. There is no way a legal document can be 2 years off!
I’m sure “poprocks” that if your son was in this situation you would be defending him with everything you had. Now I know you will probably say well I wouldn’t lie so I wouldn’t be in this situation well I have a feeling who you are and I’m going to tell you right now, I think your a two faced no good Scum. I love how SOME people on here are also the ones nagging away a week after the article of Andrew winning was released. Some people on here need to mind there own business. Get a job. Get a life. And just leave the kid and his family alone
I’m tellin’ ya, New London-Waterford should have its own reality TV show.
NH Mark, he didn’t whip anyone’s butts in that race. He was just in the right place at the right time when Churchill overdrove the car. Apparently whatever document the father provided to NASCAR was questionable. I am sure they and their lawyers have ways of getting documents to confirm someone’s age. If it was a matter of producing a birth certificate for verification, it wouldn’t have taken almost a month for this to come to a decision. And as someone above said, where was the mother in all this? Minors need both parental signatures on applications in most cases so she felt it was okay to play along with the lie?
SUCK IT UP…YOU GOT CAUGHT……………
I truly hope NASCAR permanently suspends Andrew and his father until they admit they sent in falsified information to obtain a license. Talk about digging yourself a deeper hole. Playing the victim by stating,”I don’t know why they don’t believe us” is not accepting responsibility. They don’t believe you because they’ve researched what you sir have supplied to other organizations as your son’s birthday. Ever heard of little organization named USAC that your son raced in for many years? I feel bad for Andrew because he does have talent but this is a black mark that won’t go away. Especially the way his father has handled himself in answering to these lie’s. If I was an a official with INEX I’d be upset that the same lie was put on them as Andrew was racing in the legend cars before he was of age for that. It’s a shame when a parent’s blind ambitions to have there child be the best and have the best opportunities crosses the line into breaking rules. Wake up sir there are bigger lessons to be learned here not the “I’m sticking to my story no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary”.Deny,deny,deny is not a good life lesson.
If I had a son damn right I would. I would be doing everything I could to clear his name and mine if I knew damn well I was in the right. I wouldn’t be sitting here saying “oh well I don’t know what we are going to do now. We still have the legend to race.”
A birth certificate only proves that the person named on it was born on the date indicated. It is not a proof of identity. You would need corroborating evidence to prove identity. If the Molleur’s can’t offer documents to back up the birth certificate their claims are suspect.
Is the kid driving the #35 SK Lite the same person named on the birth certificate?
Is the birth certificate for an older relative?
Is the birth certificate forged?
Andrew and Mike know fore sure, but apparently haven’t proven to NASCAR the the driver of the #35 is of age so far.
So, legit birth certificate or not? Kind of cut and dry.
Just be happy the Feds aren’t coming after you… Last time I checked falsifying a document like that is a federal offense…
In normal society the people who resort to name calling are either immature, or know there is no logical or educated way to make there point hence the name calling.Oh or you are part of the lie and have the same morals that allow you to think rules and age restrictions are for everyone else not you. This wouldn’t even be a story anymore if it was handled better by the family. If you admit to your wrong doings and apologize for trying to go around the rules people forgive and forget. If you keep denying in the face of facts people will not let it go and shouldn’t.Notice how I provided an opinion without calling you names.
they either lied when he had his earlier wins or they are lying now. I believe birth certificates can be viewed on ancestry.com.. what surprises me is we are OK with letting a 13 yr old drive a modified but we wont allow kids to drive on the streets until they are 16.. there are age limits for a reason. the reasons behind that limit became clear after the incident at Stafford. the “win” at Waterford just brought it to the fore front.. sure a child can drive a dangerous race car but can they do it responsibly and at what cost should they be injured or worse? .. NASCAR made a huge error in lowering age limits., 1/4 midgets and bandeleros aren`t good enough and so we need a modified.. a southern late model and a hauler/puller to rival cup teams …etc it has made a mockery out of the sport as now everyone with a dollar to waste can claim their son or daughter is the next “one” . sit it out til he is of legal age period.. as far as the penalty I think the father is jumping the gun.. is he suspended from ALL competition at NASCAR sanctioned tracks??? .
NASCAR had nothing to do with falsification of said birth certificate.Nascar did nothing to no one.The family did it to themselves and then plays victim.
Maybe the mother did say something, and the father overruled him. Who knows what the dynamic of the family is like.
I really don’t think that NASCAR would do something like this without knowing facts. There were probably irregularities and inconsistencies on NASCAR license applications. Then the hammer falls as it did.
Now the dad is making out like he and his kid are the victims. Sounds like Donald Trump. Gets himself in trouble and cries “it’s not fair” when he gets caught. He’s his own victim.
Google his name and the article to prove his age is right there Indy win milestone for 10 year old Andrew Molleur on June 21 2013 add 3 years he is 13 doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure it out that dad who is a bull. ER anyway is lying…… You got caught mike karma is a bitch
Absolutely we will!!! After you admit you lied, endangered the life’s of fellow compitors and track workers as well as you go pay the 28 for the car your kid destroyed do to an adolescent 13 Y/o’s mistake!!!! He totally ignored the track officials and broadsided the kid crossing the track after practice!!!
The parents, or father, whoever the mastermind is behind this all, probably ruined his son’s racing future for years. This is something that will never be forgotten. And for what? Because they feel he is too good for the legend car? He is a good driver in the car but doesn’t turn heads with it at the track with it like other drivers. All you have done is teach that boy that it is okay to lie, deceit and manipulate people to get what you want no matter what it is. Face it you got caught! You put your egos ahead of all others safety. This is something to be proud of
You can’t compare this to Trump, more like Clinton and the DNC!! Deleted Emails, Election Fraud and false birth certificates… Sounds like a similar category to me!
Perhaps Andrew has one that makes him able to vote for Hillary? Then she will pardon him and he will be back next year!!! We’re is CNN when we need them???
Trump say’s ” LYING MIKE
Well, according to the New Haven Register, Andrew Molleur was 8 years young on Sept 4, 2011, just started third grade.
Look here at the quotes from Daddy Molleur:
http://www.nhregister.com/article/NH/20110904/NEWS/309049958
Not going to win parent-of-the-week, for sure.
Dareal, funny you mention this article cause when I Googled his name this article is also poped up which just adds more fuel to the fire. Just do the math and he is 13.
dareal, that is hilarious!!! I gotta share the quote for all to see. I can’t stop laughing, this Mile Molleur guy is beyond a liar, he’s a Trump!!!! bwahahahaha!
From the 9/4/11 article at the link above:
“Man, that win was something, something cool to see,” said Mike Molleur, Andrew’s dad who owns the car and heads the race team with Andrew’s mom Elizabeth. Mike Molleur raced in the SK Modified Division at tracks around the state from 1999-2006. “I was so proud, really proud that he held on strong at the end.
“Andrew’s maturity of racing is above being 8 years old.”
Nice English. Did you graduate high school?
I’m sure NASCAR did not have to expend much effort in their forensic analysis of the little lads age.
Hey why does threalgoodfella get all the attention
That Kid is 32
He just looks young
FREE ANDREW!!
Darealgoodfella
What’s up man
We always agree and I am proud to comment with you
Great job
I got a masters in 2 subjects
Race engines and driver
I am just saying goes and I make about 600 thousand a year
I wish they would put me in charge of comment section
You would be my assistant
Maybe Andrew was kept back a couple times already in grammar school and Daddy is trying to pull a diversion? The kid looks like Biff from “Back to the Future”.
This is so pathetic it can only be funny. Daddy did it to himself and his son.
God Bless Andrew. This is a issue with his parents. He is not old enough to make adult decisions. I’m sure in his head it was a great idea and he supported his parents decision to move him up what 13 yr old wouldn’t want to drive a SK Lites. But he is not of age and experience to understand what the ramifications of that decision could lead to. I delt with this when my family did a similar think to get a family member into a racing series when the state had a mandatory age for racing in CT 35 yrs ago. Ct used to have a set of what they called blue laws that you had to be 16 to race a motorcycle in state. But this day in age with media and Internet it was a bad call. The parents were so proud when they posted his win at age 8 , 10 ect but they were thinking short term. But that got them.where we are now. Andrew will be ok but his parents will be looked down on till the next media event that takes focus off them. No different than the parents who cheat in Bando’s it teaches the kids nothing but with daddy and mommy’s money l can win. Then tech gets them and kids suspended. Doesn’t make sense. Kid looses every time.
All I can say is WOW.lots of harsh stuff.Its good reading in the can.
Frankie tree, at 13 he’s old enough to understand what the consequences would be for lying about his age. He made an adult decision by going along with the lie his parents started by giving a false age. It’s a shame that he will have this black cloud hanging over him for years. I am curious to see what ramifications this will have with the Speedbowl and Monahan as far as the legend car. Will they sideline him from all racing for putting the track in this position and for doing it knowingly?
All you have to do is go to the town or city hall where you was born. Then ask for a copy of your birth certificate they will provide a copy then notarize stamp it you now have a stap number. That become a legal document. If that what he brought to nascar officials they should except it.
But If this was forged then this issue is a much bigger issue. That notarizer should lose their right to be notarized. Then that puts into question every thing they ever notarized.
But if his statements are in fact true a it is a legal certificate this is crazy. I’d appeal it for sure. Nothing worse then to be accused to be liar.
So what will the big debate be when a kid is killed in a modified or even a legends car? Kids should not be racing so young at such high speeds. You can make the argument all you want Bugsy and Ronnie and Ryan etc etc etc. people need to learn the hard way. A kid shouldn’t even be in the same pit area.
So at 13 he is old enough to understand the errors of his ways but Tommy Barret was just a kid who made a mistake when he got in trouble according to a lot of you. Which is it? How is it he has been racing at the bowl since he was like 8 but they didn’t know? Hmmm. Never turn away a paying participant maybe. There money is as green as the next persons. My question is, does he go into record books as youngest feature winner?
Pop rocks . No he is not old enough . If so he would be on consenting age.
Poprocks, if the parents are carrying on like this, with the lying and deception, then that is what Andrew is learning as normal and right. What consequences? Clearly Daddy is teaching the kid to play the victim card when caught cheating, lying, etc.
Frankie tree, what is consenting age? 18? So he shouldn’t be held somewhat accountable for going along with the lie knowing it was wrong because he’s not 18? Darealgoodfella, good life lessons he is learning and people are defending. But I’m sure his consequences are not over as far as the tracks are concerned.
It’s all very, very Sad. If anyone saw the incident at Stafford the day he ignored track officials you would be amazed how we let this happen. Andrew passed cars stopped for the next round on the front stretch, nearly ran over a track worker then broadsided a car crossing the track to come off. If you were, all of you would realize how lucky we are this has finally come to an end.
It’s not just about lying and cheating for your own gain, it’s about doing what’s right to protect the fellow competitors, track workers, fans and the liability of the tracks. Thank you NASCAR for doing the correct thing!!
No, I haven’t graduated yet, I’m actually in summer school as we speak. When I do graduate, I hope to grow up and be a big boy just like you RF! Also, when you send me messages on here, would you please type them slowly?? I can’t read very fast. Thanks!
Just wanted to bring up how irresponsible this is. Litterally years away from being able to drive a street car or anything like that not old enough to be in a modified.
Nascar, NASCAR , nascar
…Its still all about the father to me….What a Loser.
I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong but inex I believe has a waiver that if signed by another organization stating his ability he can participate at below the required age based on experience. I know of this or something like this because a friend of mine’s son did this. Of course they also waited till he was old enough to drive a late model before moving up… Go figure good parenting…
As far as the father goes, go pound sand. Your a tool bag and you got caught. Own up to it and except responsibility for your stupidity. You can’t praise your son for the outstanding accomplishment in winning a race at 8 yrs old in 2011 then again at 10yrs old in 2013 and expect no-one to notice that 3 yrs later he would win a race and suddenly his 15. So either you are correct hes 15 or the reporting from previous years was incorrect and you yourself forgot his age during those years that he was winning. Which b is it? Please explain.. Not… I don’t know what to do know. Bla bla bla. If that were my son I would defend to the end of the earth if they were wrong. I also would have made if not forced him over to the 28 team pit stall, found the track worker he almost killed and offer his apologies, quite possibly more than just that. But you cry nascar is the big bully when if fact your a liar,your wife’s apparently a liar and now your son is labeled a liar.
Sorry that wasn’t meant to be so long but If you can’t accept responsibility for your actions that shut the heck up.
Fred inex is very specific with their minim age. Looking at their rule book online I believe it is 12 but even at that age you need to write to inex with racing referenced for approval and it is not easy so I doubt they would give a 10 year old a legends license three years ago unless they were given the same birth certificate in question that says he’s 2 years older than he is.
I saw this kid at a pit party and my first thought was that he looked about 12; I guess I wasn’t as far off as I thought! Call me crazy, but I like the idea of kids getting used to any kind of a “real car” on the street before allowing them in a similar sized car on a race track, regardless of how much racing experience they may have. Get your driver’s license and get used to driving a normal sized car; then go race a real race car. There are very logical, fun, and SAFE reasons for “kid car” racing, as well as ENTRY LEVEL full sized car racing before strapping yourself into any kind of modified. I don’t care how good you are in a kart, 1/4 midget, or legend car!
None of you have mentioned that if he was under aged at the time, and there was a major incident, he could potentially have voided the track’s insurance due to negligence.
Even in karting, when you go to a new track, they ask for a minor’s birth certificate to keep on file. You don’t touch the track until they have a birth certificate.
Now, if there is a falsified document, then the liability shifts to the offending party.
So the question is, don’t all the local tracks Andrew has competed at have a copy of his birth certificate?
Somebody has some ‘splainin’ to do.
We already have a 11 yr old with a insurance waiver at the bowl. The 07 and do you see how.many times he misses a shift creates spins ect. But I’m told that they signed a waiver of release . He’s in the Inex ledgend car.
Money is the real issue…
The 07 already set the standard for awful parenting in racing at the Speedbowl before Mike Molleur’s stunt. That kid in the 07 has been getting cussed out by his father in front of everyone at the track for years. And how many times has that kid been already been suspended because of cheating?
At Frankie tree what does the 07 have anything to do with this crap. His stuff was done legally thru inex and what ever else. Stop bashing kids that have nothing to do with this conversation. So what if he misses a shift or two. he’s learning. Let me guess you did everything right… Yes he’s legit. Why bring other people up in this. This has nothing to do with him.
Oh. Are you a grand stand racer??? I sure hope you are. Why don’t you put yourself in a race car If you haven’t and see how good you do!!!
Actually he’s not 11, he’s now 12. We didn’t sign an insurance waiver – we had to purchase an insurance policy to cover Anthony until his 12th birthday. We did not lie about his age to the track or INEX to get his license. We had the tracks backing for him to move up. He doesn’t miss shifts – he’s slow on the shifts. Any spins he’s done, he’s done on his own and hasn’t collected anyone. Has he been involved? Yes, as have many others with more experience than him. My son has nothing to do with this issue and I would appreciate you leaving him out of it. He’s a Rookie. He’s learning. If you feel you can do better, I’d like to see you climb in the seat and try.
I would say the kid in 07 causes a lot less problems on the track then a good majority of drivers that are more than double his age The kid starts in the back every week and works for every position he gets I never see him causing wrecks
Spotter, suspended once thank you. And why were we suspended? Yep, the motor. Why the motor? Because we weren’t bringing a knife to a gun fight. We were getting beat by the cheated up motor of the 81 and 10 – the same motor that Perry drove last October and got DQd with after his win and the motor confiscated by INEX and the father put on probation. But it’s okay – cuz Morin came back this year and raised the bar even higher by getting DQd three times and suspended and possibly facing further inex penalties because of the DQs this year alone. As far as Bert yelling at his son, yep he does because there are times where the kid drives how he’s not supposed to. We know what he’s capable of and when he doesn’t yup we get upset. But honestly, what does this have to do with anything?? Nothing at all. Leave my kid oUT of it.
Spotter, suspended once thank you. And why were we suspended? Yep, the motor. Why the motor? Because we weren’t bringing a knife to a gun fight. We were getting beat by the cheated up motor of the 81 and 10 – the same motor that Perry drove last October and got DQd with after his win and the motor confiscated by INEX and the father suspended over the off season. But it’s okay – cuz Morin came back this year and raised the bar even higher by getting DQd three times and suspended and possibly facing further inex penalties because of the DQs this year alone. As far as Bert yelling at his son, yep he does because there are times where the kid drives how he’s not supposed to. We know what he’s capable of and when he doesn’t yup we get upset. But honestly, what does this have to do with anything?? Nothing at all. Leave my kid oUT of it.
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So, what happens to the money that this kid made for his crooked, lying daddy while he was illegally racing? And the points and win that rightfully should have gone to someone else? If this came up one day after winning a race, he would be DQd and it would all be taken away. But, being that it is gone on so long, does daddy get to keep the Waterford monies he made? That all came out of the other competitors pockets. FWIW, I fall squarely into the camp that a kid that age shouldn’t even be IN a professional racing pit area, let alone driving a lethal machine alongside veteran race drivers just to make his daddy boastful.
Want to know what’s wrong with kids in racing? Parents are what’s wrong with kids in racing. That comment from “Corri” says it all. A mother of a child in racing saying its alright to call your kid every dirty word in the book to his face in front of his friends and everyone else at the track because “there are times where the kid drives how he’s not supposed to.” Wow. Hopefully you’re already saving up for the therapy sessions that kid is gonna need to get straightened out.
I agree I’ve seen Anthony drive the legend car three times and every time he was at the back of the pack driving ultra cautious and even not making passes he could have just to not put himself or other competitors in a bad spot. This is a kid doing it the right way by learning what the car can’t and can do at the back before mixing it up for a win. I think your a tool for even bringing him into this conversation as this was about lying about age and continuing to deny any responsibility.Oh by the way that’s how you defend your son when he’s done nothing wrong Mike if your paying attention.
Spotter, there’s no need to put quotes around my name because unlike the majority of the people that post on here it’s not made up. We do not need to justify to you or anyone else how we raise our son. We have taught him from day one in quarter midgets to race respectfully and to use his head. We spent countless hours practicing not to mention the hours put in the garage downstairs. We don’t do it for him to go out on the track and follow the rear bumper of the car in front of him when we know that he is better than that in knows better than that. So you can insult all you want but we don’t raise our son to know that it’s okay to lie or deceit people to move up and get what you want regardless of who you could hurt by doing it. So if you would like to discuss this further come find me at the track. Other than that do not speak of my son.
Spotter Deuce Deuce Seven, it seems you have a personal issue with whoever this family is in the 07. And from other comments above yours, it’s not even the same division. What does one have to do with the other? They are not the first parents to get caught and won’t be the last. But they are no different than any other racer that pushes the envelope to get every bit you can. So what you are saying is that a family that disciplines their child by yelling is worse than the parents that are raising their child to know that it is okay to lie, falsify Federal documents, continue to lie even though you are caught and place the blame on everyone else? Your trying to compare apples to oranges with this article. What Andrew’s dad did is the lowest of low and worse than cheating up a part.
All I know is this is a bad situation, can’t dicredit the kid for winning he drove smart to do it, however unfortunately he is underage I guess so yes its illegal in NASCAR’s eyes but If anything I’d say he still one the race. Unfortunately tho like what happened to Ronnie Williams at Stafford with ride hights, the win prob shouldnt stand. As for people attacking other people and the way they think their parenting skills are? I dunno what gives them the right to do so and think that it all should be left to be told in person if the problem was so big to them and not to the internet with a fake name like a coward.
Without a doubt, when kids are competing like this, problems are definitely with the parents. I used to coach kids sports, and the parents are brutal, relentless and out of their minds!!!
Many parents use these extra-curricular sports as baby-sitting, I had to wait for hours after the games or practices for parents to show up to get their kids. Parents wanting to rearrange the ENTIRE league schedule around their personal needs. Ask any school coach… the parents are the problem, manifested through the kids. The kids learn that from their parents and perpetuate it. Vicious cycle.
I’m reading this thread and sort of laughing, but also cringing. There are parents that are going to pull the ” I have the money and can do whatever I want” philosophy. That’s still stupid. Rules are rules, and parenting is still parenting. No amount of money changes that, or what is right and wrong. Just because people do not run car for their kid does not disqualify them from commenting on bad parenting.
If coaches of kid school activities were to write books about their experiences with parents, it would blow your minds.
I used to coach grammar school level soccer. House league. Parents would get furious that their child was not the star. The parents would yell, telling me what all the players were supposed to be doing, blah, blah, blah. I would then ask that parent to sit their child down and explain to that child the direction the kid was supposed run, what goal we were to shoot at and what goal we defend, so I wouldn’t have to do it EVERY TIME I put the kid on the field! And this parent is trying to make like we were dealing with major league World Cup strategy in the championship game when their kid does not know what direction to run on the field.
If there were 20 kids on the team, it only took a couple parents to try to stir up discontent. Ignoring them was great, drove them nuts. They truly believed their kids were special and were destined for the World Cup any day. This was grammar school, house league.
I had one parent threaten me to do things her way, or she was not going to bring her kid to the games anymore. I told that mom fine, that she will have to find something else to do with her kid on Saturday mornings for now on. That mom never complained again, and did whatever I said thereafter without question.
I could go on and on.
This is all about enabling, just one of the many bad things a parent can do to a kid.
lol at spotter, like dude grow up and get outta mommy and daddy’s basement, maybe crawl outta the grandstands for once. Corri and Bert are class act people and what parent doesn’t get upset when their kid isn’t giving their full potential and they know it. Clearly you don’t have kids and clearly your parents never cared for you and for you to do the best. But to the Andrew story, it’s a shame because I’ve spoken to Andrew a few times he is mature for his age and has the talent but mommy and daddy ruined that for him as some others mentioned about age looking online searching his Indy win in 2013 he was 10. Do the math, sucks for the kid… And sucks the kid had to suffer for parents lying.
Never said 07 was cheating l know you bought a insurance policy . But maybe a few more months of Wednesday night practices would have been a better cost related idea. And Burt yelling at him really ??? Get more honey with sugar !! God Bless you all. Im.glad most of you have nothing better to do than the speed bowl believe it or not there’s a right turn also. So as sands in the hour glass these are time of your lifes……Lmao
This also seems to be a management issue. There supposed to be on top of all areas . Stafford and Waterford both missed it. So I’m sure they try to keep the competitors happy and keep the show going . But safety is first and the interest of 2 great track owners need to be high on agenda. Then the Fans because with out them there is no racing in CT.
NASCAR has spoken .
I see the names Corri, Anthony and the #07….and it hits me who we are talking about….Tough guy Bert and his entitled ones…SMH.
Sounds like some guy is afraid to put his real name out there tho
Oh wait we like quotes I shoulda said “some guy”
Right. Because JF shows how to put a name on it.
“Spotters” parents never yelled at him because they were to busy gawking out the windows, worrying about what their neighbors were doing! The way I see it, the family matters of the 07 are none of your business!
This story has gone national. NBC Sports, Yahoo Sports, Nascar.com. Sounds like Berlin Speedway in MI just dealt with same issue.
Wowl, the story has really hit the big time. Headline news on yahoo.com.
http://nascar.nbcsports.com/2016/08/03/nascar-suspends-child-driver-after-providing-false-info-about-age/
This is priceless:
“At the beginning of the year, I discussed it with a couple track owners and stuff and said this is what we have, this is what we’re doing,” Mike Molleur said. “There’s no reason you shouldn’t let us race because of what someone says, here’s what we have.”
Sounds like Leona Helmsley after she was convicted of tax evasion with her comment that only little people pay taxes.
This is how this situation can be satisfied once and for all: Go the city hall where he was born and ask for a “Certificate of Live Birth”. This has all the pertinent information including a copy of foot prints etc.. 🏁🏁
IMO, a racing career ruined before it ever had a chance to really get started, I am so baffled as to how low a parent will go to make his kid the next racing super star. Hopefully this incident will make other parents think twice before pulling a stunt like this in the future.
Here’s a thought- I respectfully disagree with you. I think they will use it to make advancements for the kid. They will brag that their kid at age 13 won a division III NASCAR event 1-2 years younger than he was allowed. Not only that but look at all the attention they’re getting for this stunt. They did something that put the track’s existence, track workers, and other drivers at harm but with all this noise they are putting their kid on the map. Their disrespect for the sport on a local level has just earned them nationwide attention and all of these comments (including mine) are not helping. It’s pathetic but it’s the world we live in (see Beyonce’s Super Bowl halftime show for a more popular stunt).
joey, I agree with you. They will use their “achievements” to get sponsorship, etc. just as Melissa Fifield uses her Most Popular Driver awards to claim some sort of achievement and sell that “achievement” to pursue sponsorship.
If an accident happened, the track would have been on the hook for damages, liability, etc. Tracks need to be careful and vigilant. Tracks are responsible for abiding by the terms and conditions of their insurance carrier. Sanctioning bodies are responsible for abiding by the terms and conditions of their insurance carrier.
But the family is probably proud and bragging about what they got away with.
One of my favorite racing quotes that has served me well through the years “better to ask forgiveness than ask permission”
Andrew has logged more laps at more tracks in the past five than most drivers log in a lifetime. He has talent, evidenced by the fact that he won! (and has a lot of wins in racing other things)
It’s OK for him to race a flimsy, twitchy, Legend car- but not a sturdier, safer modified at the same track? I’d argue it’s safer in an SK than a Legends car at the Bowl.
The kid will be fine. He is now famous for his win. He will join the long list of drivers who were “indefinitely” suspended- I can’t think of a single one who wasn’t back racing soon after.
He’ll just race Legends until he really turns 14 then be back in an SK. Same as it would have been is he had asked permission in the first place.
For those who question Mike parenting: Do you spend most nights, every weekend, with your kid, working closely together to reach monumental goals? Are you teaching hard work, preparation, and competition, or are you sitting in the stands drinking beer while your kid is at home playing Xbox or chasing Pokemons?
Well said Joey.
My opinion is his win and points should be taken away and all purse money won should be returned to the track since they were all obtained fraudulently as part of his punishment as far as the Speedbowl is concerned. What ever Stafford and Thompson does is up to them. I also believe he and his father should have to appear before NASCAR for a hearing before his driving privilege is restored. I would not even mind seeing a monetary fine levied by NASCAR as part of his punishment which has to be paid prior to restoring his driving privilege. If you want to play with the big boys then you should suffer the same penalities as the big boys.
Mike Leone..???….”better to ask forgiveness than ask for permission”…????…Spoken like a true Moron…one of the Dumbest things I have seen on comments on this site.
Mike Leone, getting permission would be complicated, and impossible. The tracks, owners, and sanctioning bodies would have to grant that permission and take on the liability, since such a move would probably violate the terms and conditions of the insurance carriers. I’m thinking blind eyes and deaf ears were in play.
Mike Leone, do you teach your kids to ignore the rules and do whatever they want?
Here’s what Daddy Molleur was quoted as saying:
“At the beginning of the year, I discussed it with a couple track owners and stuff and said this is what we have, this is what we’re doing,” Mike Molleur said. “There’s no reason you shouldn’t let us race because of what someone says, here’s what we have.”
Daddy knew what he was doing was wrong.
So Mike Leone, is that role model quality parenting?
We aren’t talking about anyone else. And if anyone else did it, it would still be just as wrong. Just because lots of people are alcoholics or murders doesn’t mean it is okay. Still wrong.
Mike Leone “until he really turns 14 then back in an SK.” You can’t be serious? You think it is going to be that easy for him to get back into NASCAR? “Working closely together to reach monumental goals” This sure is a monumental goal they have reached. Nice work all of them. They have shown that they have no regard for any of the tracks, the officials, competitors or even fans, the sport in general. It’s time for them to stop placing blame on everyone else and place it on themselves. They falsified records, applications, lied to track officials. I hope whatever penalty the tracks decide to impose is a hefty one. If not, it will reflect badly on all.
This is racing we’re taking about here, not church or marriage. We live in a world of rules on top of rules, on top of rules. Racing is a sport of stretching rules, always has been. If you follow every rule all the time, you will sit home huddled in the corner. Sometimes to live life a few rules get broken. If you break enough rules you can even run for president some day!
We’re talking about racing here, not church or Marriage. Racing is a sport of stretching rules, always has been.
We live in a world of rules on top of rules, on top of rules. If you follow every rule in life you’ll be home huddled in the corner. Sometimes to live, you need to break a few to rules. If you break enough rules, someday you can even run for president!
“There’s no reason you shouldn’t let us race because of what someone says, here’s what we have.”
No, HERE is what we have:
We have a parent Mike Molleur, who has is a level of arrogance that he can ignore the age rules that are put in place for a variety of reasons – including all driver safety – his 13 year old son Andrew’s safety AS WELL AS facility and other drivers liability reasons, all because in is mind, his kid has some driving experience and talent beyond anyone else , that it justifies he can commit a federal offense by having a falsified birth certificate created and used as an official document proving age.
Does the fact that the kid won and SKL race prove that Mike Molleur was right? NO. Can the kid use it as an “achievement” for a racing career? Potentially. Does the result justify the circumventing of the rules? No, not if Andrew is now parked for a while.
Unfortunately, the only way to send a message that this is a serious offense is to make the suspension last for quite a long time. Maybe the parents need to be banned from NASCAR sanctioned facilities as well.
“There’s no reason you shouldn’t let us race because of what someone says, here’s what we have.”
No, HERE is what we have:
We have a parent Mike Molleur, who has a level of arrogance that he can ignore the age rules that are put in place for a variety of reasons – including all driver safety – his 13 year old son Andrew’s safety AS WELL AS facility and other drivers liability reasons, all because in is mind, his kid has some driving experience and talent beyond anyone else , that it justifies he can commit a federal offense by having a falsified birth certificate created and used as an official document proving age.
Does the fact that the kid won an SKL race prove that Mike Molleur was right? NO. Can the kid use it as an “achievement” for a racing career? Potentially. Does the result justify the circumventing of the rules? No, not if Andrew is now parked for a while.
Unfortunately, the only way to send a message that this is a serious offense is to make the suspension last for quite a long time. Maybe the parents need to be banned from NASCAR sanctioned facilities as well.
Mike.WTF are u saying.Rules are in place for a reason.Yes the kid has talent.The win was because of the two cars in frt of him on the last lap wrecked coming to the line.I know a win is a win.Thats how itn happened.Dont anyone forget the incident at Stafford .Age requirments are in place for a reason.Mike M. would probably do it all different if given the chance.This whole mess should have never happened,just look at the kid you can tell he is not of age.Everyone in involved is guilty of something.Tracks, parents ,driver,nascar.The person I feel bad for is the guy whos car got t-boned coming off the track at Stafford.He is the one who got screwed.16 should be the age to drive a full sized modified. PERIOD
No, were not in the stands, were working with our kids as well. But we do drink beer!!! Lol! To me this all comes down to what he did at Stafford, that was a pure example of an adolesent mistake. A mistake that nearly took the life of a track worker and crushed a guys car. That’s the reasons we have age limits. He’s not ready yet and that’s why this happened. Follow the rules and let the kid progress as he should. I think we all wish him the best. But do tell me Sir, would you still be this suportive of Daddy Fraud Mike if the track worker was killed????
I tell you Mr Leone, I think you really need to read some of these comments back to you… They make sense… In these over 100 comments on here I don’t think a single person in any way did not wish Andrew luck… You really need to find out what the kid did at Stafford… It was beyound bad, I could not sleep for a week.
Mike Leone said:
The kid will be fine. He is now famous for his win. He will join the long list of drivers who were “indefinitely” suspended- I can’t think of a single one who wasn’t back racing soon after.
without putting a second of thought into it, 2 names immediately came to my mind. Jeremy Mayfield and Shane Hmiel were “indefinitley” suspended by NASCAR. i dont think either raced a race in any division under the NASCAR umbrella ever again.
in this case, i think NASCAR should also “indefinitley” suspend the father’s NASCAR license
Boy, modifieds must be real easy to drive if a 13 year old can race and win.
Well Said Kevin T! And if I were Al W in the 28, that got crushed coming off the track after practice??? I’d call Mr. Mike tool bag imediatelly and say “You have the $ to run all these races? Buy 1/2 of Spafco? Buy fradulant birth certificates??? Well mail me a check for my damages or hire a lawyer!!!” It wasn’t a racing mistake, not by any means!!
“It’s OK for him to race a flimsy, twitchy, Legend car- but not a sturdier, safer modified at the same track? I’d argue it’s safer in an SK than a Legends car at the Bowl.”
Perfect statement about society today…
_I_ think it’s OK, so rules don’t matter… Rules are for the other guys.
Classic…
I agree with SKL fan…..Lawsuit!!!!!
My brain hurts ……
Keep hope alive.
It’s Trump’s fault.
The system is rigged with dangnabbit rules!!!!
Rules are rules I guess. Don’t matter if you’re a meth head or you forge a birth certificate….
Just wanted to bump it to 121 responses. You would’ve thought we were talking about TC or Coby with this amount.
Again….like most news of the world…we will most likely never know the truth. But NASCAR, who ever is responsible for issuing the “No More Racing for You” is another big bully in my opinion if in-fact the birth certificate is true.. What about his Social Security Card…I think everyone now has a SS number..right?
Hey, Daddy Molleur can contest it, take NASCAR to court in an attempt to prove the kids correct age.
Shawn, please check with Daddy Molleur if that’s what he plans on doing.
What’s the record on comments here? Gotta be close at least.
I do not get the Meth comment left by Rich,
Hey Andrew when your racing in the Daytona 500 and I am spectator looking in one of those fancy garage windows in the pit area .just remember to wave at me I will be the guy with the FREE ANDREW T SHIRT >
Post 128!
I wonder if Shawn Monahan had an awareness that Andrew was underage; if he did, or even suspected it and let him race, that could be another tangent to this.
When Pops Molleur presented the fake birth certificate, I wonder what Shawn and Waterford truly knew, REGARDLESS what was shown to them.
Same thing With Mark Arute / Tom Fox up at Stafford. I can not even imagine what could have happened if that track worker or Al W got badly hurt or killed because of that kid being underage.
I’d be interested in hearing what might have been the consequence to the track owners. if it would have been severe enough, like losing a NASCAR sanction and/or the track’s insurance company dropping them, maybe it will cause the track owners to tighten things up.
Low car counts can cause all sorts of diseases leading to selectively blind eyes and deaf ears. Then something like this happens.
Losing a NASCAR sanction, penalties, insurance company woes, insurance premiums rising, etc. can be consequences. NASCAR does not want the bad press. If the kid got hurt, the press would have been horrible and NASCAR would have taken a HUGE hit for letting an underage kid participate. It would have shown how desperate NASCAR is to get participants. As it is, this incident has gone national.
But reading through this thread is interesting from an anthropological view. Most are for rules, and then there are a couple deviants that think rules apply to everyone else but them.
Well, it just proves that people watch sports and racing to see the wrecks. This thread is a big one. The other big threads are usually about shenanigans such as big carbs, big engines, cheated engines, flagrant rules infractions, wrecking other cars, etc. The most disturbing thing about those issues are the people that maintain that there was nothing illegal even though overwhelming evidence exists.
Will coscars go visit him in jail if mommy and daddys lying ways don’t work out well in raising another entitled one????…That is the flip side of Daddy the Tool approach.
Ok i have to say at this point this story is over i wont to hear what everyone has to say about the turn two pit gate at the bowl
It would of been terrible if the worker or someone got killed!!! I saw it!!! It was so bad I couldn’t sleep for a week!! And I personally know many people approached the track officials complaining he was under age…. There answer was??? “NASCAR issues him a license”
In all of this we have not heard from Daddy. I’m sure he reads all of these posts. If he was innocent as he claims to be i would assume he would be on here defending himself and what he did. His lack of fight only shows how guilty he really is.
I haven’t seen this one brought up yet. It’s so nice!!!
http://www.ctbulletin.com/articles/2011/09/05/sports/doc4e6453a188dea371115996.txt?viewmode=default
What nice quotes by Daddy.
The kid was 8 years young on Sept 5, 2011, entering 3rd grade.
We are approaching Sept 2016, which means the kid is 13 years young.
Whoops!!!! There it is! Whoops!!! There it is!!!
You want a kid that age driving around you on the roads and highways? I certainly don’t.
So this makes the kid a pretty old 8th grader, and must have been left back 2 or 3 times, after the 3rd grade and before reaching the 8th grade. Now that is something the parents can be really proud of!!!!!
You go Mommy & Daddy Molleur !!!!!!!! LOL!!! 😆 😜 😝
Put the underage driving to the side for a bit. If he really is 15 years young in the 8th grade, Andrew can have a CT drivers permit/restricted license by the time he’s out of the 8th grade. LOL!!!
“Mommy, can I drive myself to school today?”
Thanks for the laughs!!!!!!
SKL Fan said:
“It’s all very, very Sad. If anyone saw the incident at Stafford the day he ignored track officials you would be amazed how we let this happen. Andrew passed cars stopped for the next round on the front stretch, nearly ran over a track worker then broadsided a car crossing the track to come off. If you were, all of you would realize how lucky we are this has finally come to an end.
It’s not just about lying and cheating for your own gain, it’s about doing what’s right to protect the fellow competitors, track workers, fans and the liability of the tracks. Thank you NASCAR for doing the correct thing!!”
Very well said.
That incident was due to immaturity. That should never happen.
That incident should have sent chills up and down the spines of many.
Apparently, there are many without spines.
Some guy, the meth comment is about what Phil said about Jeremy Mayfield. He’s indefinitely suspended by NASCAR because of meth. But he had been racing modifieds on a non NASCAR tour.