The most recognizable name in Modified racing sales and distribution is back in the fold with the newly merged biggest Modified producing company.
Rob Fuller, who recently merged his LFR brand with Troyer, announced that the Rhode Island based Northeast Race Cars & Parts will team with the group as an official distributor for both LFR and Troyer.
Northeast Race Cars & Parts, owned by longtime Modified crew chief Brad Lafontaine, had long been a Troyer distributor. That relationship ended last year and Northeast Race Cars had aligned themselves with Fury Race Cars of North Carolina, the company that had previously manufactured for the LFR brand.
LFR and Fury parted ways last fall. Fuller announced the merger of LFR and Troyer two weeks ago and quickly moved to get Northeast Race Cars back in the fold with LFR and Troyer instead of Fury.
“At the end of the day it’s a relationship industry,” Fuller said. “Brad had a relationship with myself and the Troyer brand for a long time and it just made perfect sense to get him back on board to help us out with distribution and customer support for both brands.”
Fuller also confirmed Monday that Heintz Brothers Automotive of Statesville, N.C. will join with Tommy Strup as the Southeast Regional sales arm for Troyer and LFR cars.
“We are very excited to be partnering with Troyer and LFR Race Cars,” read a statement from Heintz Brothers and Strup. “We look forward to the future business with this iconic merger of two great companies in the Modified world of racing.”
Said Strup: “The racing industry is changing as it always does
through the years. We have to change along with it. Being in the
business myself for over 20 years. That time for change is now with this excellent opportunity.”
Fuller was excited to solidify the new relationships.
“It’s a great thing for everyone involved when a company like Heintz carries your product lines,” Fuller said. “Tommy has deep roots in the Modifieds and I know he will represent both LFR and Troyer well.”
shawn
I read in this weeks area auto news that fuller / lfr has purchased from fury all the manufacturing
needs from fury. Does that mean lfr has bought all the jigs and related eguipment from fury to now
build the cars at troyer and does that mean fury is out of the business of producing fury / lfr chassis
Moonglum,
I can’t vouch for what was published in another publication, but to my understanding LFR/Troyer did not purchase anything from Fury. And Fury is definitely not out of business.
Ok thanks this topic is muddy as water on whats going on and I just repeated from what I read
so I guess we will see more in the coming weeks to further confuse it also include the manufacturing
from canada
Someone predicted this would happen last week, but forgot who it was. This is a good thing for the sport. NE Racecars has being building Troyer cars for years, wonder if he’ll also be building LFR cars, or if the LFR brand will only be built by Colton. Brad’s experience makes him a valuable asset to this conglomerate, not to mention his customer base.
Fury is still promoting itself as a Modified chassis and car provider, see here:
https://furyracecars.com/model-m
Also, look at the accolades as to the wins and championships Fury is taking credit for.
I’m sure this is just Billy Colton,s way of helping out Rob Fuller, you know the guy can’t even weld , right Dareal
Rob p, Fuller needs a shop to service and repair the damaged LFRs. LFR doesn’t seem to have any capability other than assembling kit cars. They don’t weld. NorthEast was probably the best around, and Fuller needs what Brad can do to fix cars and make them run.
I checked as many roster’s as I could find in New England, couldn’t find a “Fury” race car Did find one listed as chassis by North East. Maybe the sound of crickets brought Brad back. The Fury website hasn’t changed in over a year, except for what Dareal said about all the acolades they claimed. Don’t see the Fury modified surviving much longer.
Where does this leave Ed Flemke in all of this. He’s been servicing the LFR stuff up here, to higher standards than LFR did out of the box. Seems like he should be the service dealer in the Northeast just out of loyalty. Maybe he is part of Fury’s support for the Northeast that would be interesting for sure.
Program here, get-yer-program. Can’t tell the chassis suppliers here without your program!
To be fair, whether it is Coby, Bonsignor and Lutz coming in 1-2-3 at Seekonk or Burt Meyers charging through the field to win at Bowman Gray for the win they each were piloting Model M Fury race cars. Until they aren’t Fury race cars they have every right to crow about their wins and use them to attract sales.
Good to see that Brad will no longer be starving and be able to eat for years to come!
Rob p, probably all “LFR” cars out there are Fury cars. Don’t think Troyer has welded up many tubes and pipes into a Troyer-built LFR-branded chassis yet, and resulted in running Troy-built LFR-branded cars yet.
This LFR reseller arrangement looks like the electricity industry. Back in the day, one company owned the power plants to the distribution network. Now, all sorts of middle companies are trying to get in, rep and resell the same electricity from the limited number of power generating plants. These sales companies do nothing but resell, they try to get you to buy the same electrical power from them instead of another reseller. These sales companies do not make electricity, they just resell it. Not only do they just resell electricity, they can only get existing customers of another electricity reseller to switch to them. LFR does not have its own manufacturing, fabrication and production capability, they just resell what others make for them.
Look what happens over the winter… Troyer teams post pics of themselves picking up a new bare chassis from Troyer. The Troyer teams build their own cars. I have never seen a LFR team post a pic showing them picking up a bare LFR chassis. LFR sells rollers and complete cars. LFR posts pics of the rollers it sells. LFR has to in order to provide some redeeming value since it does not manufacture the chassis. LFR runs a house car, only to sell it as soon as possible. I told you that the house cars are sales tools, not R&D platforms.
Doug. You are 100% incorrect. If you purchase a Huffy bicycle and bring it home and change the seat, wheels, handlebars etc and sell it as Doug’s bike you are the owner of that design and have the right to sell it as your own. All the LFR customers could have called Fury and purchased a Fury car. They did not so there are NO Fury cars in the field. Sorry bro.
I would think to say that LFR hadn’t been fabricating entire chassis is true but something most I suspect have known for quite some time and at no time was it hidden.
It is also not fair to imply LFR has no fabrication capability as clearly they do even if their focus is not complete chassis fabrication.
I would suspect that most the follow the sport think there is value in taking a raw chassis and building it up to a consistently winning complete package.
Electric supplier choice does include many unscrupulous middlemen engaging in dubious tactics. It also includes choices that depending on how much electricity you consume can result in substantial savings. Some of the companies are willing to take a lower profit for longer term commitments that saves people money.
It is is not true that all our electricity comes from the same supplier although most of it does. The national grid allows regional companies to add and subtract from different generators depending on how many people sign up for the different offerings in addition to load needs and emergency situations.. Programs offering “green energy” generators offer customers that find that sort of thing important choices where the generators have a lighter carbon footprint.
Buuuuuuuuuuut even were it true that all energy came from the same supplier the analogy would not hold up as far as I can see. In that scenario the company providing transmission services would be the equivalent of LFR or KRR. Clearly you have no choice with your transmission supplier whereas there are multiple choices with race car set ups.
Isn’t it a little insulting to compare the sophisticated work LFR does to a marketing company who’s main mission is sales. Unless you think LFR is merely a sales company and I doubt many would agree with that. Maybe one I can think of.
Hey Frank, say you race Modifieds in New England, where are you going to buy your Model M Fury chassis/car, from the North Carolina location or the New England location?
Is that too obvious?
I’m in central Connecticut, I need some groceries. I’m heading out to Nebraska, be back later. 🤣🤡😂
And to think Frank I did have a Schwinn. I did change a bunch of stuff on it and when I sold it, it was still a Schwinn. And to think it could have been a “Doug”.
Fury Race cars Facebook yesterday:
” On Saturday, FURY kicked off the month of June with its most successful race day in history, winning four races at four racetracks, in four different states and in four different series. FURY teams won two Modified races and two Late Model races, sweeping podiums in both styles of car.
FURY Super Late Model teams unloaded at Bristol Motor Speedway’s Short Track Nationals with a ton of speed, leading every practice session of the weekend. Stephen Nasse claimed the pole position by setting a new track record in qualifying before driving his No. 51 to Victory Lane. FURY cars swept 1-2-3-4-5, with Casey Roderick finishing second, followed by Steve Wallace, Josh Brock and Anthony Sergi.
In the NASCAR Whelen Modified Tour event at Seekonk Speedway, Doug Coby nabbed his third pole position of the season in his No. 2 Modified and dominated the field, taking his third checkered flag in just six races this year. FURY cars finished 1-2-3, with Coby followed by 2018 series champion Justin Bonsignore and Craig Lutz.
At Bowman Gray Stadium, Burt Myers set the fastest time in his No. 1 FURY Modified, but started the 100-lap race from 24th after accepting the Fans’ Challenge. Myers raced through the field to win the event, collecting $3,000 in reward for accepting the Challenge.
Out west, South Sound Speedway in Rochester, Washington hosted the Northwest SLM Series, where Alan Cress won the South Sound 125 in his No. 91 FURY Super Late Model.
Burt Meyers, Facebook 6/2
“This new Fury Race Car is finally dialed in. May God get the glory for giving us this platform to honor Him.”
I’m not any kind of fan of Fury but rather just passing on their viewpoint that I think has merit.
If you want to consider their cars LFR’s that’s fine. Myself I believe Fuller could take Cinderella’s pumpkin coach and put it into victory lane if given enough time and resources.
Frank wrote: “Doug. You are 100% incorrect. If you purchase a Huffy bicycle and bring it home and change the seat, wheels, handlebars etc and sell it as Doug’s bike you are the owner of that design and have the right to sell it as your own. All the LFR customers could have called Fury and purchased a Fury car. They did not so there are NO Fury cars in the field. Sorry bro.”
Frank, there seems to be some very disingenuous misspeaking going on. Or, it might be very intentional misspeaking going on. Are we talking cars or chassis? A chassis is the collection of pipes and rectangular tubes, welded together to be used as the skeleton for which the rest of the *car* is built upon.
So are you saying that LFR does (did) indeed buy Fury chassis and then resells (resold) it as its own car? I’d have no problem calling those cars Fury cars. After all, Fury fabricated the chassis.
Look at the Indy cars… the chassis are made by Dallara, and the cars are referred to as Dallara.
What legendary and decades old company fabricates the chassis used in LFR cars?
My personal opinion is that yes, those are Fury chassis’, but at the same time they are LFR race cars. See what I did there. Yes Fury built the bare chassis, but it’s LFR that builds them into a driveable car. So yes, both can take credit. For years a race cars manufacturer has always been identified, by the last shop to work on it. If a Troyer guy takes his car to SPAFCO, and they update or otherwise change the car, then it’s a SPAFCO car, especially if SPAFCO is the one supporting him at the track. Still a Troyer chassis, but a SPAFCO car
Rob P. Good point. The chassis that Doug Colby won with was manufactured at LFR chassis in N.C. Just because you read something on Facebook doesn’t mean it’s true Doug. EVERY LFR customer knows where the chassis is fabricated. They call LFR and purchase a car. No one has Fury decals on their car because they are all LFR cars.
Rob p, that’s like stolen valor.
I can go and help change the bandage on my friends chest wound from his heart/lung transplant, and then I can take credit for the surgery and saving his life.
If I weld a flange for a slightly different trunnion plate on a new Troyer chassis, does it become a darealgoodfella chassis?
So if LFR builds the sourced Troyer, Fury, etc. *CHASSIS* into drivable cars, why are the results (standings) still correlating with the *TALENT* of the teams using them? The talent of the teams is what has taken the cars from drivable to competitive. There are still teams that are not and will not be the cream of the crop of the NWMT even though they use all the same parts as the cream of the crop. There are teams using the LFR car and they still suck. Lap times have not gotten any faster.
So Rob, this begs the question… is LFR a race car producer (with sourced parts) or a chassis manufacturer? I don’t think LFR is a chassis manufacturer, and don’t let this Troyer deal let you think otherwise. LFR needed a source for chassis. Do you really think LFR has been teaching the top teams, teams that have been around longer than LFR, how to make the car competitive? Before you answer, there are still LFR teams that suck, and the LFR #15 house car was one of them for years until recently when Dowling and Kopcik took over the house car. The #2 team had the LFR chassis’ed car competitive years before the LFR house car was run by Dowling and Kopcik. Even if the #2 team was sharing data with the LFR house car, they still couldn’t get it to run competitively. So I doubt the LFR Teams were really sharing all the data amongst themselves. 🤣😂🤣😂. I could see it now…. The LFR house car team gets the setup from Phil Moran of the 2 team, they put the set up in the house car, the house car still sucks. doh. 🤣🤣🤡🤡😂😂🤡😂
Don’t go to Trump University expecting to become a billionaire real estate mogul, okay?
Dareal. You are damaged goods. Where did the 15 car finish in points last year? In the FIRST attempt. I’m sure you will run circles around the answer but we all know. Your a first class jack wagon.
So you’re saying Steve I am incapable of telling the difference between a comment from Joe Blow and that of an established, respected company on their commercial Facebook page.
I would not agree with that.
I’d also add it gets a little tedious when people use that generic nonsense that all Facebook posts are equal, that some are fake and therefore none are to be believed.
Regardless of the source of the welded tubes and the crew chief, it appears that Rob Fuller is a good guy to work with if you’re running the NWMT. Of course, a talented crew chief is a must if you want to win some races.
Dareal, ithink you got my point to a point. I consider LFR to be a race car builder. Troyer to be a chassis shop, and race car builder. Rob outsources his parts, then assembles the race car, sets it up initially, and offers track support. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and he’s been pretty good at doing it. Now the point you misunderstood. If someone brings a Troyer car to say CD and Mike reclips the car sets it up, and then gives track support, then it’s a CD car BUT still a Troyer chassis. See a chassis, is just a frame. When everything is attached to that frame, it becomes a car. So, you could purchase a bare Troyer chassis, add the bolt ons you bought or built , and have a Dareal race car, but it would still be a Troyer chassis. Class dissmissed
Call it what you want a Troyer ,LFR or what ever it’s looking like Fuller has a little say as what happens in this new partnership even if he can’t weld
Listen. Fury calls a machine shop, sends them a design and then pick up their part. Let’s just say it’s the 3 link bracket. Then they put Fury on it. They didn’t manufacture the part!!! LFR Fuller sends designs to Fury. Fury manufactures it and Fuller brands it LFR. SAME exact thing that they do!! Fury is making a arse out of themselves in desperation to save their company now that Fuller doesn’t need them to do anything anymore. I would be nervous too.
I can’t wait to hear how well Brad and Rob get along with the set ups and advice.
🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂
Donny gets it! Chassis/ race car shops do it all the time, it’s called rebranding.
Hugh wrote: “Dareal. You are damaged goods. Where did the 15 car finish in points last year? In the FIRST attempt. I’m sure you will run circles around the answer but we all know. Your a first class jack wagon.”
No need to run circles. Dowling and Kopcik finished in 2P in 2018. They used the 15 car. With Dowling and Kopcik, that was by far the best the 15 had ever run. Dowling makes cars run better.
Hey Hugh, how bad did the 15 do in the years leading up to Dowling and Kopcik?
It comes down to practicality. Say each chassis you build requires 10 brackets that are made of laser cut steel. 1. You could buy a 1/2 million dollar laser cutter, pay someone to set it up, pay someone to run it, and cut your own $5 part OR 2. You can buy the $5 bracket from someone who already has a laser cutter. You get the point?
Hugh, the Dowling and Kopcik finished 2nd in points in 2018. How many years was the car running before that? And it sucked. And you can thank Chase Dowling and Kopcik for 2018. For the previous several years, the 15 was a laughable, even with previous champions such as Silk and Szegedy driving. When Fuller was driving, it was a joke. He took too long to realize he needed a qualified driver. And too long to realize he needed a qualified crew chief. I heard/read that Silk and/or Szegedy eventually refused to drive the 15. And who will be driving the 15 this year? Kyle Benjamin from South Carolina. Who? There are plenty of pretty good drivers already up here. Dowling and Kopcik achieved that 2nd place in 2018. Look at how much better the 99 does when Dowling is driving it.
Where has that all important house car been? Only one race so far this season, finished 12P. House car? What house car… 🤣😂🤣😂
Frank,
I don’t think you can buy a bicycle, change a few things on it, an sell it as your own. Especially if it has something on it called a US patent. I am not saying these chassis builders have patents on their chassis, but try that with something that is patented Frank. I bet you will have a lawyer’s letter in your hand very quickly Frank. Sorry Frank, you are 100% wrong. You can’t STEAL someone else’s product and put your name on it if it has a patent. Try again.
Some good points being made.
Shouldn’t it be about design and proprietary knowledge with regard to identification. Chassis design matters.
If it’s a Fury Model M that owns the design, that LFR used as it’s base mostly as manufactured by Fury as a Model M, it’s a Fury race car. Even if Fuller designed the Model M it is still a Fury race car since they own the design.
On the other hand if it is a chassis that was subcontracted to be built for LFR with specific designs from LFR that is substantially different from the Model M it’s an LFR race car. I’d suggest we just don’t know any of that and therefore cannot say with complete confidence whose design is in play here.That being the case Fury has every right to stake a claim in the winners success.
It’s natural to take pot shots at Fury since they are a southern company that has relatively shallow roots in Northeast modified racing. Now very, very, very shallow roots. Here what they say might seem like grasping. Down south where they are more respected their claims of victories across the board may be looked at more favorably.
My question now is, is this going to be a tug of war when the new Troyer/LFR cars start to win. Will it be a Troyer because they manufactured the chassis or an LFR because Fuller added all the parts that made it a winner? Under the new joint venture it should make no difference but I’d bet money that in this forum that will not matter.
And the beat goes on.
DING! DING! DING!
I just couldn’t bring myself to respond to Frank. Just… couldn’t.
We have a winner. Ed J get’s it. And I doubt these chassis companies are getting patents on the chassis. If they did, we’d be constantly hearing about it. Plus it costs big bucks to get a patent. And most importantly, you have to have something worthy of a patent. And then, most ideas, although they can be granted a patent, are worthless in the real world. Very few patents (percentage) end up having real world barriers to the competition. Patents are usually as valuable as that gold star a teacher put on your forehead for winning the class spelling bee in grammar school.
It would be difficult or impossible to get a patent on a chassis, especially since this is an already extremely old product and has been in the public domain for decades and decades. It’s all been tried and done already. And then there are the rules. What’s old is still old, it’s just a matter of if someone can remember it. Nothing is proprietary… the parts are out in the public domain.
But there is definitely sourcing going on. LFR doesn’t have manufacturing capability and depends on outside machine shops to fabricate parts. Then assembles a roller, car, whatever. You have to look at the parts and ask if the differences are really adding to performance, or are nothing more than an appearance tweak to create a facade and image of being different for the sake of being different.
Let’s remember, it has been reported that the early “LFR” demo cars were Troyer chassis that were tinkered with. 🤣😂
Does anybody really know what super “next level” technology is in the LFR chassis? Is there any unique advanced technology in the LFR chassis? In all these years, there are no details. What is next level? Super duper next level technology being sourced. Laughable. It’s in the public domain, the parts are out there. I keep hearing about technology, but specifics are not stated. If there was, it would be talked about all the time, and would have been copied.
🤔🤔🤔🤔
I am not sure that a Fury Car with no help from LFR has ever won anything? Moving forward can the Fury Car without support from LFR R&D sell, and be competitive? Will LFR/Troyer sell the improved parts to Fury Car Owners?, who is going to Service Fury Modifieds? In my opinion Fury is Toast, all the speed in the cars is really associated with Fuller and the existing Car Owners are all going to follow him. All new car sales post 2019 will no longer be attached to Fury at all, they better have something up their sleeve if want to stay in the Modified Market.
Brad craps chunks bigger than Fuller.
It will be entertaining watching Brad and Fuller get along. 🤣😂🤣😂 This will be the drama going forward. Fuller needs Brad, to learn all he knows and get more cars competitive. Brad needs to play it cool, and not give it up to Fuller. Fuller probably thinks Brad works for him. 😂
Rich, there are already too many northeast based chassis fabricators supplying the northeast region. The Fury Model M may live on in the south.
Rich, the early #2 team successes were Fury-built chassis. It was Phil Moran that was first to make that Fury chassis run. Back then, Fury was building the LFR product. The #2 team had the car running far better than the LFR house car and any other Fury/LFR around, and it stayed that way for several years. If LFR was helping with the #2 team chassis tune, all Fury/LFR users should have been running nose-to-tail. But it took several years for any other Fury/LFR chassis’ed car to catch up with the Phil Moran chassis tune up. It took until 2018 for the house car tuned by Dowling and Kopcik to run competitively.
Donny, how many Modified chassis did Fury build for Fuller? I have to think that Fury has much more business than the handful of Modified chassis they built for Fuller. Fury builds chassis/cars for several other classes.
Dareal it’s obvious you have a problem with Fuller , but fill me in on what car’s Brad has been affiliated with that have been competitive the last few years, it didn’t seem to take long for Brad to decide to go back to Troyer after being dropped by them , you have to decide one way or the other , seems when’s it’s a Troyer it’s the manufacturer, when it’s a LFR it’s the crew chief , can’t have both
From Jan. 2014, RaceDayCT headline.
Rob Fuller and Steve Leavitt Form New Fabrication Company Dubbed LFR Chassis Inc.
From Sept. 2016 PRI news.
Fury Race Cars Purchases LFR Chassis
So, as of Sept. 2016, Fury can call the Model M theirs, but prior to that, the cars were LFR.
They say Richard Petty & Dale Sr. each have 7 MENCS championships, even though neither of them ever competed since Monster became the title sponsor. So, based on that way of thinking, I guess whatever wins Leavitt Race Cars has, or had, are now Fury’s wins.
The 01 is sporting a Fury decal for tonight’s Thompson 125.
I think most times we here in the forum are a bit ridiculous casting about observations, opinions, mockery and such that is frequently based on misconceptions or partial facts. Maybe not in this case.
The rhubarb here is based mostly on the completely mixed messaging by LFR and Fury.
-Fuller: “ I did an asset purchase, I didn’t sell the company. They didn’t want to buy the company, they told me the brand wasn’t worth anything.””
Grala of Fury: “Every ‘LFR’ car in existence is actually owned by Fury,” Grala said. “Today, it doesn’t matter when the car was built. That design, that car, and every piece on it is owned by Fury… Every asset and every piece of intellectual property that was owned by LFR and Rob Fuller was sold to Fury on August 29, 2016.
LFR 5/24: “ We will also focus STRICTLY on Modified racers to insure the industry has what it needs at the price structure it can afford!”
Fuller 6/4: “At the end of the day, it’s clear that they (Fury) focus on late models and that they don’t focus on modifieds,” Fuller said. “That’s up to me
LFR 5/31: “The NEW LFR ACT Chassis is almost completed! Looking forward to it’s on track debut at the end of the 2019 season! Stay tuned for more in progress pics!”
Fuller 6/4- “Everybody’s got my decals on the car,” he said. My customers chose to do business with me and have them build the race car. If they wanted to support Fury, they could put a Fury decal on the car. The car is what it says. All of those cars said ‘LFR.’ They are LFR cars. It’s just that simple.”
Fuller 6/4- “That chassis (the 51) was manufactured by Fury… It was brought to Massachusetts and assembled. So the car is an LFR car. The design of the chassis is LFR, and the manufacturer of the roll cage and the chassis was Fury”
(Note to reader: brought to Raceworks on the way from Fury to LFR to install LFR proprietary modifications.)
I believe all our confusion comes from LFR and Fury and mostly from Rob Fuller.
Traditionally we have labeled the race car manufacturer as the company that constructed the chassis. Rob Fuller effectively changed that definition.
When LFR moved north their mission was never to manufacture chassis. It was a service company to make Fury chassis into race cars. He changed the definition entirely. The chassis manufacturer was no longer anything more then any other component in the race car. He made the race car the company that assembled the components, did the setup and networked with the customers and potential customers. And yes put it in the winners circle.
Nothing against LFR or Mr. Fuller because I’m a fan but it’s confusing. Rocco buys bare Troyer TA1’s for himself, Gervais and others. Assembles them, puts them in the winners circle but we’ve never called his cars KRR race cars. Keith has never insisted that they be labeled KRR race cars to my knowledge.
It all makes no difference in the end. If you’re running a NWMT modified up here and want to win who ya gonna call? That’s right, LFR. And who cares who made the chassis.
We fans are humble folk that depend on simple, consistent messaging. Rob Fuller is a very deep thinking, nuanced kind of guy as far as I can see so clashes of perception aren’t entirely our fault.
One more time. A bare chassis is just that, a chassis. Rob Fuller bought chassis’ from Fury. They then went to Raceworks for unspecified modifications…still just a chassis. At LFR suspension, and other parts were added to the chassis, to make it a race car. So… Now you have an LFR race car with a Fury chassis’. When Doug Coby’s car was built, the business was called LFR. So… In the case of the 2 it’s an LFR race car with an LFR chassis. I believe that the 2 is the only LFR/LFR car on the NWMT. Since Rob Fuller designed the Chassis, I don’t think you’ll see any noticable difference when Troyer starts building the chassis. Will have to wait and see. But remember this… Race car is a complete vehicle. Chassis is just a fancy word for a frame.
If you’re referring your one more time to me Rob p I’d say you’re locked into a point and are prepared to beat it to death like DGF. Call them Pickles for all I care it’s not my point.
It’s perfectly obvious a bare chassis is just a bare chassis. However tradition is that we always identify the car with the chassis builder. Chassis builders send bare chassis to all kinds of teams that build them up. Yet the teams listing still mention the bare chassis builder, LFR being the exception.
I get your point. I just don’t agree with your simplistic conclusion no matter how many time you say it nor how obvious you seem to think it is.
No Doug I was not referring to you. Yes, traditional logic says a cars brand is determined by it’s chassis. LFR is an exception to that standard. Actually if you go by the redneck rules of racing ediquette, the cars are actually Raceworks cars, as Ed Flemke modifies the chassis before it goes to Fuller, and redneck rules state that a chassis is identified by the last shop it was worked on in. I’m sure back in the day you encountered some of these cars. Yes the way I explained it simplified it, but keep in mind with some people the simpler the better. You know of who I speak